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"As part of Merz's proposals, from January next year, workers will no longer be able to get a sick note over the phone. They must visit a doctor in person and on the first day of illness." Can't wait to share the sbahn with feverish people or seeing a live diarrhea attack.
People who call in sick by phone aren't sick
Berlin public servants spent 30% of their work days on a paid holiday or sick leave https://x.com/posta_octavian/status/2072672993126334709?s=20
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How about not? If you think your employee is lying too much about being sick, perhaps have a conversation? Establish trust? If it doesn't work out, require a doctor's note, and eventually fire them. If the problem is one of trust, work on that. Forcing a sick person to leave the house and expose themselves and everyone else along their way to new pathogens just because you don't trust them is hardly a net positive fo…
>require a doctor's note That's ... exactly what I was saying. How long is your context window that you missed that? If you're sick longer than X days, go see a doctor, for your own safety first, then for the note to your employer. >Establish trust? How? Trust goes both ways. If you trust someone and they don't reciprocate and abuse it for personal gain, then there's nothing left to establish, you just got robbed pla…
256K tokens. I suspect yours is about 20 tokens, because you forgot the bit right before the one you quoted: "_If it doesn't work out_, require a doctor's note."
> If you trust someone and they don't reciprocate and abuse it for personal gain, then there's nothing left to establish
Correct. Terminate them in this case. Or have a process to give them a second chance and then terminate them. Whatever works for you.
> Why should you be working on trust when you're the one being scammed?
Probably don't. Don't hire scammers. Hired one by mistake? Fire them.
> No, you're right, they should just get to sit at home as long as they want with no medical oversight until it gets worse, or they end up at the ER
I get sick between 0 and 5 times a year. I can't remember the last time I went to the doctor for any of those, but I can say it has been many years. Some times I have really bad allergies to the point that I can barely get out of bed for maybe 2 or 3 days. I don't need to see the doctor, I just need to find the right anti-histaminics that work for me for whatever pollen is causing it.
Here you have a person who you supposedly trust with things a lot more valuable than whatever a day or a week's worth of missed work amount to, and you need to make them get out of the house, maybe queue up for hours in the hospital or whatever, because you don't trust them when they tell you they're sick? I'm sorry, but I know who I find sicker in this scenario and it's not the person missing work.
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Why are you defending/waiving away wage theft? Not stealing from people and following the law is the absolute minimum an employer can do. It is not the governments fault when you break the law. Should it be ok for an employee to steal because someone else stole from work? Because society is complex and hard and has rules and laws but can't police everything 24/7? I've been an employer. I've been a manager. My family…
>Why are you defending/waiving away wage theft? I'm not, and since you started the argument in bad faith with things I never said, I will stop talking to you there because obviously there's no point to it and I'm wasting my time and energy on you.
You waiving away poor business behavior (the behavior being discussed being wage theft) because 'good behavior is hard':
> if being a trustworthy employer is so easy why aren't you and many other people doing it
You saying companies are practically forced to steal because government/regulation:
>the issues you point out are not due to employers, but due to government regulations or lack thereof, and the issues of the way the economy and financial systems are setup to incentivize, which the government is also responsible of regulating and enforcing. Without proper regulation and enforcement to even the playing field, the only ones who manage to stay in business will be the unethical ones
You completely ignoring that the tyrannical statement came from the post I responded to I and simply redirected their ridiculous premise from workers to business to highlight their ridiculousness:
>It's easy to just say employers are tyrannical when
I wonder if lost productivity from sick leave days is offset by preserved productivity of all coworkers that were not infected by people that felt obliged to show up sick with flu or other communicable disease.
The reported average of 20 days is likely skewed by a small number of long leaves and I suspect* is nowhere near typical for the median worker (it's nearly taking a day off every two weeks). Longer leave already requires a doctor's approval so the proposal to require that for all leave is unlikely to change much other than drown doctors in more busy work. *I can't find much for the 'median' amount of leave taken per…
Berlin public servants spent 30% of their work days on a paid holiday or sick leave https://x.com/posta_octavian/status/2072672993126334709?s=20