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Leanstral 1.5: Proof abundance for all

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Re: Leanstral 1.5: Proof abundance for all

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Post by RazorBucksICO »

guiriduro wrote: post #82
lou1306 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they even _make_ actual money? https://isaiprofitable.com/ seems to disagree.

Do they dupe VC into enormous datacentre and capacity build-out investment? Why yes, actual money going to the AI hypester pick-axe vendors (and early equity dumpers) in that sense, absolutely yes it does. Is Big AI on track to pay that back with profit from any foreseeable and defensible business model? Different question. I sincerely doubt it.

I think one of the more sober analysis that focused on danish firms exclusively predicted the overall growth impact on GDP to be a bit less than half a percent. Now, well that doesn’t sound very large, considering nominal GDP for the world is nearly $60 trillion, that is a big deal. I don’t know if that justifies trillion dollar evaluations for the providers, but even a small improvement over a large base is meaningful.

Re: Leanstral 1.5: Proof abundance for all

#102

Post by fridder »

lostmsu wrote: post #96
lou1306 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they even _make_ actual money? https://isaiprofitable.com/ seems to disagree.

You were a net loss for ~18y or even more and not many people were concerned.

I think it is rather disgusting to equate raising humans and training an LLM

Re: Leanstral 1.5: Proof abundance for all

#104

Post by bjt12345 »

I find it a bit ridiculous to be critisizing Mistral, of all companies, as falling behind the Frontier models.

Firstly, who hasn't fallen behind? Grok...Meta....? A lot of big companies are struggling.

Secondly, Mistral are trying to solve a different problem.

Finally, Mistral should be congratulated for staying in the race for so long now.

Re: Leanstral 1.5: Proof abundance for all

#105

Post by islandfox100 »

lostmsu wrote: post #96
lou1306 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they even _make_ actual money? https://isaiprofitable.com/ seems to disagree.

You were a net loss for ~18y or even more and not many people were concerned.

A net loss on the order of dozens of thousands of dollars. And one whose primary purpose is not wealth creation.

Re: Leanstral 1.5: Proof abundance for all

#106

Post by canada_dry »

bjt12345 wrote: post #104

I find it a bit ridiculous to be critisizing Mistral, of all companies, as falling behind the Frontier models. Firstly, who hasn't fallen behind? Grok...Meta....? A lot of big companies are struggling. Secondly, Mistral are trying to solve a different problem. Finally, Mistral should be congratulated for staying in the race for so long now.

Considering the (apparent) heaps of money and brains thrown at GROK I'd argue MISTRAL is relatively futher ahead.

Every time I go back to trying GROK it is an abysmal disappointment.

Re: Leanstral 1.5: Proof abundance for all

#107

Post by fragmede »

islandfox100 wrote: post #105
lostmsu wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You were a net loss for ~18y or even more and not many people were concerned.

A net loss on the order of dozens of thousands of dollars. And one whose primary purpose is not wealth creation.

Conservative estimates in the United States puts it at $300,000 to raise a child from 0-18, including the cost of birth in the healthcare system. It goes up to $1 million for a HCOL area though.

Re: Leanstral 1.5: Proof abundance for all

#108

Post by nejch »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #46

There's a lot of criticism of Mistral being unable to compete with large model, and that's fair. But I think it dismisses what Mistral is actually doing, which is making specific capabilities available at high quality in tiny models. I do a lot of OCR, file analysis, stuff like that. I use Mistral for that. I put 100$ into my account, and it just runs for a year without any worries about the amount of requests I make…

Yeah, I think also efforts like Docling and similar are showing that smaller, specialized models with the right tooling might be more effective (and efficient) at this than throwing everything at Opus.

They don't seem to release as much open-weights at Mistral as they used to though :)

Re: Leanstral 1.5: Proof abundance for all

#109

Post by lostmsu »

islandfox100 wrote: post #105
lostmsu wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You were a net loss for ~18y or even more and not many people were concerned.

A net loss on the order of dozens of thousands of dollars. And one whose primary purpose is not wealth creation.

> And one whose primary purpose is not wealth creation.

I take it you know your primary purpose.

Re: Leanstral 1.5: Proof abundance for all

#110

Post by lostmsu »

fridder wrote: post #102
lostmsu wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You were a net loss for ~18y or even more and not many people were concerned.

I think it is rather disgusting to equate raising humans and training an LLM

This seems wrong to me on multiple different levels.

One, this conversation is about economy side of things.

And two, calling comparison between humans and LLMs disgusting when LLMs are borderline GAIs sounds very xenophobic. Did you see the thread about LLM-written fiction contest the other day? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48782890

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