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U.S. officials believed Israel was plotting to kill Iranian negotiators

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Re: U.S. officials believed Israel was plotting to kill Iranian negotiators

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Post by akerl_ »

tptacek wrote: post #100
hagbard_c wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't like that link - which is just one of the many I got when searching for 'national IQ average' there are many other similar studies to be had. Here's a few of them, again just some results from the first page in my SearXNG instance. The results are not identical but they are comparable. https://international-iq-test.com/en/test/IQ_by_country https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php https://www.univers…

You've just provided: (1) Several surveys backed by anonymous online "IQ test" web sites. (2) Richard Lynn, whose numbers are essentially fraudulent. (3) Emil Kirkegaard, the famous Danish white supremacist. The counterargument is very simple: countries don't generally do IQ surveys. Most people on HN have never been asked to take a calibrated IQ test. The data simply doesn't exist.

Don’t worry, they got data from a whole 5000 people in Australia and 300 people in Afghanistan!

I’m sure that’s generalizable to the whole country’s worth of 28 and 40 million, respectively.

Re: U.S. officials believed Israel was plotting to kill Iranian negotiators

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Post by tptacek »

akerl_ wrote: post #101
tptacek wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've just provided: (1) Several surveys backed by anonymous online "IQ test" web sites. (2) Richard Lynn, whose numbers are essentially fraudulent. (3) Emil Kirkegaard, the famous Danish white supremacist. The counterargument is very simple: countries don't generally do IQ surveys. Most people on HN have never been asked to take a calibrated IQ test. The data simply doesn't exist.

Don’t worry, they got data from a whole 5000 people in Australia and 300 people in Afghanistan! I’m sure that’s generalizable to the whole country’s worth of 28 and 40 million, respectively.

Hard to beat Richard Lynn's sample of Senegal, which came from 57 children in a malaria hospital.

Re: U.S. officials believed Israel was plotting to kill Iranian negotiators

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Post by IAmBroom »

diogenescynic wrote: post #24
Hikikomori wrote: post #12

Can't believe that Israel would do something they've done several times already.

They killed their own citizens on October 7th just to pump up the numbers. There are recordings made public where Ben Gvir is ordering more killings. I can't stand how our mainstream media completely ignores all of Israel's crimes. Even when Israelis come here to sexual assault people in Las Vegas, or open biolabs, or steal technology... it's always swept under the rug.

I live near a nuclear plant, where an Israeli group was escorted in for a "tour" just before Israel magically obtained enough material for a nuclear bomb.

It's widely believed by locals that this was their shopping trip.

Re: U.S. officials believed Israel was plotting to kill Iranian negotiators

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Post by ASalazarMX »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #4

Launch an unprovoked attack, do it under cover of negotiation, and then attack diplomatic envoys. Belligerence, perfidy, and I don't even know the term for that last part, it's so unheard-of. We have violated rules of warfare that were already old thousands of years ago. At what point do we admit we're the bad guys?

I'd wonder instead if anyone still thinks of USA as the good guys of the world. In these days where information (and disinformation) happens fast, propaganda can only cover reality up to a point.

Re: U.S. officials believed Israel was plotting to kill Iranian negotiators

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Post by thomassmith65 »

throw310822 wrote: post #62
rasz wrote: post #48

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remind me what is their national chant? https://www.iranintl.com/en/202511042838

The chant, as officially translated by the government itself [1] means "Down with the USA". "Death to" is a purposeful (literal) mistranslation to make it sound like it's a genocidal statement. 1 e.g. https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/iran-te...

Is that to say the Islamic Republic of Iran don't necessarily want to eradicate the USA but merely want to see its downfall? I don't have much sympathy for that; it's not like there's some more liberal, more democratic, alternative superpower waiting in the wings.

Re: U.S. officials believed Israel was plotting to kill Iranian negotiators

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Post by NomDePlum »

thomassmith65 wrote: post #105
throw310822 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The chant, as officially translated by the government itself [1] means "Down with the USA". "Death to" is a purposeful (literal) mistranslation to make it sound like it's a genocidal statement. 1 e.g. https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/iran-te...

Is that to say the Islamic Republic of Iran don't necessarily want to eradicate the USA but merely want to see its downfall? I don't have much sympathy for that; it's not like there's some more liberal, more democratic, alternative superpower waiting in the wings.

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