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Re: Xsnow "protestware" in Debian

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Post by JCattheATM »

netsharc wrote: post #54
JCattheATM wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can say that about Americans. Eh, you'd be wrong. It's a different issue in the US, half the population believe and vote for nonsense, the other half are strongly against it. > What proof do you have, or do you "just know it"? Friends with Russians, and try to read useful sources like Meduza. It's absolutely very much the case that most of that population are brainwashed and believe the state propaganda. > Meanwh…

> America will still have elections, and we won't have to deal with our Putin-wannabe again after their term is up. Heh.. Russia has "elections" too. So easy to point and jeer and say "they're bad, but over here the circumstances are different!"... As if armed uprisings are child's play, and those not rising against tyrants are cowards. I bet if you were in Russia, you'd also made excuses why you haven't joined the r…

> Heh.. Russia has "elections" too.

The 'heh' indicates a misplaced smugness.Our elections actually result in a change in leadership. There is a lot of yammering, but no evidence the US is about to become an actual dictatorship.

> So easy to point and jeer and say "they're bad, but over here the circumstances are different!"...

Because they are drastically different. You're just trying to downplay that because it breaks your entire argument.

Re: Xsnow "protestware" in Debian

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Post by JCattheATM »

trollbridge wrote: post #74
JCattheATM wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except most Russians support their government and believe its lies...

Of the Russians I know (some still in Russia), not a single one supports United Russia party, although that does mean we have to communicate rather… secretly? these days.

I know a lot of Russians, but all of them left and are critical. Can't say I know any Russians in Rusia, but papers such as Meduza report on and give interviews with them frequently.

Re: Xsnow "protestware" in Debian

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Post by pibaker »

krunck wrote: post #14

One comment really nails the problem with this sort of thing: " People in Western countries don't realize how bad the situation on the ground actually is¹; random Ukrainian flags showing up on your work monitor can result in severe problems for you (like losing you job, or worse), especially if you work in the government sector. If they show up on your laptop in a random cafe or an airport, you might very well get a…

I'd understand it if the flag is added by someone from Ukraine or another country invaded by Russia. But it looks like it was added by someone with a Dutch name.

Westerner putting random people's lives at risk just so he can give himself a justice boner doing some cheap virtue signaling. Classic.

Re: Xsnow "protestware" in Debian

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Post by LtWorf »

throw_a_grenade wrote: post #96
LtWorf wrote: post #89

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> who is ever using xsnow We don't know? Debian doesn't spy on users.

popcon shows 302 users as of now: https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=xsnow

302 installs, could be one person with 302 virtual machines, and could be 1 million with popcon disabled (which is the default).

Re: Xsnow "protestware" in Debian

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Post by Svoka »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #29
Svoka wrote: post #20

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Oh no! Imagine the horror of losing your job. It compares nothing to literal genocide their army perpetrating. And yes, it is their, not their government, not some mysterious leaders. Russians reelected same government for 35 years with it invading neighbours pretty much every 5 years.

As a reminder, the most dangerous job in Russia is "opposition leader".

you mean nationalists/imperialists like Navalny whose main beef with current russian administration is that is corrupt, meaning it is not being effective enough?

Honestly, not sure why westerners yearn to find good fascists.

Re: Xsnow "protestware" in Debian

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Post by Svoka »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #93
epistasis wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that's not even so bad compared to what would happen to somebody in occupied Ukraine: they would be sent to "the basement." That's the euphemism for the local torture chamber, outside of which they deposit the dead bodies of the tortured to let everybody in the area know what happens if they do something like speak Ukrainian.

> if they do something like speak Ukrainian. Sheesh, how different are the languages? Would it be an honest mistake to say a word in Ukrainian and not realize?

Honestly, this is like saying that someone who speaks Italian would mistake your for speaking Spanish. That's how it sounds. If you disagree - you clearly don't speak both languages. Just because some words are similar doesn't make them sound same.

Re: Xsnow "protestware" in Debian

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Post by Svoka »

netsharc wrote: post #39
krunck wrote: post #14

One comment really nails the problem with this sort of thing: " People in Western countries don't realize how bad the situation on the ground actually is¹; random Ukrainian flags showing up on your work monitor can result in severe problems for you (like losing you job, or worse), especially if you work in the government sector. If they show up on your laptop in a random cafe or an airport, you might very well get a…

When the war started, Europeans were forcing famous Russians living in Europe to denounce their government's evils. For example an opera house demanded a Russian opera singer to say something against the regime or be "blacklisted". As if it's so fucking easy to denounce a dictator who has murderous tendencies and who rules your homeland, as if it's so easy to insult him, and then what, not be able to return home and…

Oh, russians re-elected same govenment for past 35 years cheering invading neighbors every couple years since inception of russain federation.

Problem is not in dictator. Problem is imperialistic russia and every russian citizen who does nothing about it. They should be denied every service from civilized world until they stop their fascism.

And before you ask, yes, I did protest and depose dictator.

Re: Xsnow "protestware" in Debian

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Post by LtWorf »

saltamimi wrote: post #70

Protestware as a whole has never worked to solve anything. Awareness of a particular issue is the only positive thing "protest" software has successfully tried, with the second order effect being better supply chain management. I don't use Linux or Xsnow but it baffles me how distributions would allow something like this. Sure, it's just flags now, but if you look at faker and colors.js, you'll see the other side of…

Distributions didn't "allow" anything. The author just uploaded it. That's all there is to it.

The asset file isn't called "ukraine flag" so unless you open all the images or run this as a russian you will probably be completely unaware of this behaviour.

Re: Xsnow "protestware" in Debian

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Post by LtWorf »

simion314 wrote: post #35
krunck wrote: post #14

One comment really nails the problem with this sort of thing: " People in Western countries don't realize how bad the situation on the ground actually is¹; random Ukrainian flags showing up on your work monitor can result in severe problems for you (like losing you job, or worse), especially if you work in the government sector. If they show up on your laptop in a random cafe or an airport, you might very well get a…

Yeah, but is open source so if some of the extra rare "good Russians" do not like this super small chance of getting hurt then they diserve their regime, they will finally protest when the regime will affect their own lives but stay silent while other people get genocided. I do not own any popular software to put anti Zed/Putin shit in it so sorry I can inconvinience those super rare good Russians.

Are you currently located in DC protesting about the war in Iran? If not, rules for thee but not for me?

Re: Xsnow "protestware" in Debian

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Post by LtWorf »

weare138 wrote: post #22

Has anyone confirmed who this 'Alexander Ivanov' person is or even if this is a real person and not some AI bot? I searched for the email address used and it only appears recently in these handful of posts about xsnow.

Debian doesn't require to create an account and submit your national ID to allow you to open bug reports or write to mailing lists.
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