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Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by busterarm »

pessimizer wrote: post #86
phillipcarter wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You almost certainly are lying and were not banned for saying that.

Why in the world would you say this to a stranger about the account of a completely mundane event? I've seen people banned from subreddits for e.g. mentioning the wrong brand names, and even worse, been happy that they were banned because those brands were not the subject of the subreddit (and were a constant distraction because mentioning them was something provocative and easy to post if you didn't really know anyt…

It's also funny because the statement isn't even controversial and people still get insanely ass-mad about it.

Also consumer car buying by ethnicity is tracked data and billions of dollars in investment & marketing are allocated from this metric...It's an absolutely ridiculous thing for anyone to feel a certain way about being stated.

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by nxm »

Elidrake24 wrote: post #18
impulser_ wrote: post #14

[flagged]

...As opposed to Twitter where I was banned for expressing an opinion that wasn't in line with the site owner's personal opinions. At least with Bluesky, you can opt out of their moderation.

things that didn't happen for $10, Alex

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by toomuchtodo »

alex1138 wrote: post #58
pelagicAustral wrote: post #2

I'm left wondering if maybe all the years I spend tinkering with Linux servers and self-hosted infrastructure are just about to pay off big time now that there is a massive move for governments and institutions to take control of their infrastructure... You still pretty much need a human to spin and maintain infrastructure, wire things securely, and monitor... Now I just need to wait until someone rebrands sysop into…

Tim Berners Lee has Solid

Comparison Between ATProto and Tim Berners-Lee's Solid Protocol - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48724526 - June 2026 (0 comments currently)

Related:

ATProto Permissioned Data Proposal Draft - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48651727 - June 2026 (4 comments)

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

#104

Post by steveklabnik »

stereolambda wrote: post #74
curtisblaine wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

@phillipcarter: of course it's users (and mods) doing that, but in the end , if you open bsky today you see a single, huge, left-biased social media. If you look at Mastodon, you see at a lot left-leaning trans-and-furry-friendly instances, true, but you also see a bunch of right wing instances plus Gab. What happens with bsky today (single instance, echo chambered) is simply something I don't expect from a "distribu…

Isn't the answer kind of obvious - much more weight of the developers in comparison to the random people from open source community. Also timing: Mastodon and ActivityPub appeared in the tail end/transitional period when there was still some common public square mindset (at least among random people not radicalized in any way), and tech inclined people had protocols vs. centrally managed platforms in relatively fresh…

> AFAIK the Bluesky devs themselves are pretty serious about it being an open standard, though I'm basing this on what I heard

https://atproto.com/blog/kicking-off-the-atp-working-group

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by dotcoma »

skybrian wrote: post #20
dotcoma wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But... if Waag are not self-hosting, and they're not, how likely is it that normal people will start doing so in relatively large numbers?

I don't think that's the goal? If we got to the point where no service hosts the majority of accounts, that would be a pretty good milestone.

That would indeed be a huge improvement over the current situation, with 98.5% of repos hosted directly by bsky (!)

https://atproto.barn.city/

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by fwn »

steveklabnik wrote: post #88
forgotaccount3 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not fully aware of the tech here, are those posts flagged as 'Intolerant' by bsky or by the protocol itself?

By Bluesky. The protocol has a notion of moderation accounts, sometimes called "labelers" because they can apply labels to your account. Users generally [1] subscribe to the moderation that they want to see. They can then set those labels to make the application to "show", "warn" (collapse by default, click to expand), or "hide" based on the labels. 1: People using the bluesky app cannot unsubscribe from the bluesky…

I'm no expert in atproto but it seems to be far worse than that. Apparently, Bluesky applies country-specific labellers automatically based on your IP address.

If you register a Bluesky account from Germany, your account is assigned the German moderation labeler with no option to opt out. As soon as I noticed, I created a new account using a US IP address. This fixed it.

While signing up for moderation sounds very attractive to me, Bluesky's whole layered moderation approach seems designed to maximize algorithmic censorship.

Compare that to, for example, a mastodon instance (or a forum like HN) where you participate because you align with the general moderation approach cultivated by and within the community.

edit: I found the following write-up which mirrors my experience https://fediversereport.com/bluesky-censorship-and-country-b...

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

#107

Post by toomuchtodo »

jacobgold wrote: post #11

This is great. The entire idea of AT is that users can move their data for any reason. We want more of this. But I do think it's always worth pushing back a bit on this idea: > "The way Bluesky is funded is at odds with the idea of decentralisation because the platform relies on venture capital and operates under a shareholder model." Large decentralized infrastructure like the internet, DNS, email, and the web was l…

Internet Archive? Non profit. Let's Encrypt? Non profit. ICANN? Non profit. Linux Foundation? Non profit.

VC funding is fine in some contexts, but most of the stack should be non profit driven whenever possible to prevent the eventual enshittification and attempts at capture by profit driven actors. You can always donate to the relevant non profit (code, time, fiat), but by operating the public good as a non profit, you're creating a form of security boundary and reducing attack surface by economic threat actors. Worst case, the VC funded enterprise fails open and the only harm is employees who need to find new jobs and shareholders and investors who experience a capital loss.

We want to continue to own the commons and culture collectively when for profit companies building on public social infrastructure ("open social networks and protocols") close or a suboptimal change of ownership occurs.

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by kevinak »

steveklabnik wrote: post #90
kevinak wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a very narrow definition of decentralisation. In any case - both atproto and fediverse are massively centralised compared to something like Nostr, and it’s not even close. The fact that the PDS in practice owns your identity in the vast vast majority of cases is such a dumb trade off that it’s honestly laughable. Should Bluesky decide to splinter off of the network there would be like 50000 people left. Stop t…

> The fact that the PDS in practice owns your identity This is incorrect. 1. a PDS stores data, it does not own the identity. 2. Your identity is controlled by a DID, of which most users use DID:PLC. 3. This means the PLC directory controls who owns the identity. 4. Users can upload their own keys into the directory to ensure they have control. 5. At this point, the threat vector is "PLC directory lies", which is why…

Nope. When I’m talking about identity I’m speaking strictly of the keys that sign your messages and the pub key derived from it. In every other cryptographic system that is your identity. It is absolutely correct that the PDS has complete control over your keys when it comes to 99.99% of users. I challenge you to prove the opposite.

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by ballon_monkey »

palata wrote: post #39
jrm4 wrote: post #9

And what does this do safety/privacy-wise? Nothing, except make it more available. This is why I often argue against (or at least want to point out the dangers of) the ATProto/Bluesky model. It's an absolute boon for people who want heavy surveillance, government or otherwise. The looseness and "unreliability" of protocols like Mastodon ironically make them safer.

I am genuinely confused. Isn't the point of public social media to be... public? Or do you use BlueSky to talk to your friends, instead of Signal?

It is but they don't like being on a platform where people can disagree with them. They like their echo chamber.

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by steveklabnik »

kevinak wrote: post #108
steveklabnik wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The fact that the PDS in practice owns your identity This is incorrect. 1. a PDS stores data, it does not own the identity. 2. Your identity is controlled by a DID, of which most users use DID:PLC. 3. This means the PLC directory controls who owns the identity. 4. Users can upload their own keys into the directory to ensure they have control. 5. At this point, the threat vector is "PLC directory lies", which is why…

Nope. When I’m talking about identity I’m speaking strictly of the keys that sign your messages and the pub key derived from it. In every other cryptographic system that is your identity. It is absolutely correct that the PDS has complete control over your keys when it comes to 99.99% of users. I challenge you to prove the opposite.

> When I’m talking about identity I’m speaking strictly of the keys that sign your messages and the pub key derived from it.

Me too.

> I challenge you to prove the opposite.

https://web.plc.directory/spec/v0.1/did-plc

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