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Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)

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Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)

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Post by ekidd »

jsdalton wrote: post #86
ekidd wrote: post #63

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Yeah, as someone who lives in Vermont, you could talk me into permanent DST. That would move the winter sunset from, say, 4:21pm to 5:21pm, which would mean I'd get enough twilight for a short walk after work. And Maine is even further east and north in the same time zone, so they have an even earlier sunset. On the other hand, Vermont's standard time sunrise around 7:20 is reasonable enough. Parts of Vermont have tr…

Permanent DST is just a synonym for "let's all agree to wake up an hour earlier." The same change could be affected by e.g. schools and businesses agreeing to open at 8am instead of 9am. (Of course that would be wildly unpopular so permanent DST is just way to trick people into swallowing the pill.) But would behavior change in the long run? Countries like Spain where solar noon differs wildly from clock noon just en…

> The same change could be affected by e.g. schools and businesses agreeing to open at 8am instead of 9am.

School starts at 8am everywhere that I know of in northern New England and always has? Does school start at 9am where you live?

And as noted, an 8am start to the working day is long established in certain parts of Vermont and New Hampshire. It has not been "widely unpopular." It's nice to get a few minutes of sunlight and twilight after work in winter.

Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)

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Post by duckmysick »

literalAardvark wrote: post #100
apexalpha wrote: post #95

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I live in the Netherlands. In the summer the suns up at 5 am. But at 5am I am asleep. I could get up earlier but that's pointless since school and work doesn't start until 8.30. So in stead of having an hour of sunlight before school and work we all change our clocks to have an hour of extra sunlight in the evening in stead, which fits our cultural preference for social activities. We could also, as you say, change e…

So change it... just permanently. GMT+2 will always be there for you.

Then you will have the opposite problem in winter. Sunrises would be 9am-10am for about three months.

Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)

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Post by pseudalopex »

scns wrote: post #92
keiferski wrote: post #8

Of all the things that cause obesity and sleep loss, is an hour change twice a year really a major issue?

There are measurably more heart attacks and traffic accidents after the switch.

Some researchers found heart attacks rose a little after clocks were set forward and fell a little after clocks were set back. Other researchers found no significant change.

Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)

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Post by perilunar »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #40
AngryData wrote: post #29

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Why should the clock be set to those arbitrary points? If you want sun in the morning, wake up later, it you want sun in the evening, wake up earlier. If your issue is when work is scheduled, well businesses set their own hours, not the government.

Then we should have timezones based not just on longitude, but also latitude. So northerly locales can get some sleep in the spring/summer/fall. > If your issue is when work is scheduled, well businesses set their own hours, not the government. Ah, someone who doesn't have kids in school/camp/some random activity yet. We know how this goes in China (one time zone, no daylight savings time). Coming home from the bar i…

> Then we should have timezones based not just on longitude, but also latitude

Of course. In Australia the southern states do summer time, and the northern states don't.

Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)

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Post by smitty1e »

anal_reactor wrote: post #87
reedf1 wrote: post #65

It's pretty astounding to me the number of pro-DST advocates in this forum. If you had hundreds of daily jobs on your platform and you happen to have some regular requirement to change them in unison, if a junior engineer said "let's just change the system clock to adjust for when we want the jobs to run", you would say no, because while it might be easy compared to changing the config for each of the jobs, the risk…

Imagine having a solution that already works with changing system clock but then some very big very important very senior very developer shows up and launches a multi-year project to redesign this, potentially opening pandora box of endless bugs. PhD in Job Security, typical shit I see in corporate.

Everybody's "Blatantly Obvious To A Casual Observer" (BOTACO) solution is somebody else's "Scam Amounting to Large Amounts of Dollars" (SALAD).

Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)

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Post by kortilla »

tristanj wrote: post #27
kortilla wrote: post #23

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This just seems like a backwards justification. There is nothing wrong with a 9am sunrise or a 4:11am sunrise. People in Anchorage deal with both just fine. > I am not awake at 4am, I have no use for sunlight at 4am Most people aren’t awake at 5am either. Your use for the sun when there is an excess of it that goes well past your bedtime if you get up at 5am is irrelevant.

My work starts at 9am, therefore I wake up around 7am. My work start time does not adjust based on the seasons. Any sun before 7am is wasted for me. Under DST, at summer solstice, the sun rises around 5am, giving me 2 hours of wasted sunlight. Without DST, at summer solstice, the sun rises around 4am, giving me 3 hours of wasted sunlight. I enjoy having additional hours of sunlight when I am awake, so for me I actual…

Get out of bed earlier then and go to bed earlier. You’re inventing a fake problem.

Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)

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Post by suddenlybananas »

reedf1 wrote: post #38
suddenlybananas wrote: post #26

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4am sunrise seems ludicrously early to me, but then again, even a 5am sunrise is awfully early.

Ever lived at high latitude? It's normal.

I live at a higher latitude than Seattle and the earliest sunrise is 5:45 or so.
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