Dario is an American patriot who wants the US to win. Don't see this happening.
What is the US "winning" by pissing off their allies?
Allies? What allies?
Austria Lobbies EU to Host Anthropic After US Access Curbs
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#102Curious how you can develop ai in Europe and still be compliant with eu ai regulations , dma, dsa and gdpr at the same time
Not all of those regulations apply to AI training or inference. And having models coming from and provided by Mistral should be good enough of a signal that it is possible. Isn‘t this enough of an answer that it is possible to do it?
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
The biggest problem with public money funded endeavours is corruption. At the end of the day most of the people would be there for the pay check and even if nothing is delivered after burning billions of euros, nobody would be held accountable. That’s why I think it’s not going to be successful with public funding. What EU needs is structural unpopular reforms. Reduce taxes so companies and top talent would have an i…
Yes, of course people would be working there for the paycheck. I think there's nothing special about public funding though. The field is so competitive that people will be mad if a competitive model is not achieved, making corruption more damaging to the organizations. There would also be some internal competition. There are after all several EU LLM/AI/etc. firms that would probably try to use this infrastructure.
By paycheck I meant that they get the money through corruption. Like fake bills, bloated estimates and huge commissions, but in the surface it all looks legal and they get away stealing millions of euros of public money of hardworking tax payers.
I guarantee you that maybe people would get mad that no competitive model is achieved because the politicians burned the tax payers money. But there would be no repercussions, nobody would be held accountable and would just be marked as a failed project.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, of course people would be working there for the paycheck. I think there's nothing special about public funding though. The field is so competitive that people will be mad if a competitive model is not achieved, making corruption more damaging to the organizations. There would also be some internal competition. There are after all several EU LLM/AI/etc. firms that would probably try to use this infrastructure.
I think the bigger issue of public funding and corruption, is that usually these contracts are awarded to "friends" with the purpose of 100% mismanaging and stealing as much of the funds.
Well, some risk must be taken, even the risk of such things.
Some sort of alternative must be created, after all, since models are being restricted to the US only.
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#105Hosting current gen intelligence is like recruiting rocket scientist with no space program, university system, military purchasing or start up and commercialization ecosystem.
They will get capacity, and that is important, but it will be frozen in time. Without an independent ecosystem the engine will stall.
That being said all of this came out of a single community: YC. OpenAI and scale.com created a training data set collection, annotating and training fly wheel. Tiny little startups did this. But the EU is so afraid of failure that it’s hard to get anyone to try for moonshots
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the bigger issue of public funding and corruption, is that usually these contracts are awarded to "friends" with the purpose of 100% mismanaging and stealing as much of the funds.
Well, some risk must be taken, even the risk of such things. Some sort of alternative must be created, after all, since models are being restricted to the US only.
Yes I agree, I'd only wish there's some way for do this by the book, like its not so hard, Brasil government has produced almost SOTA models, why cant the UE figure shit out? They could even rent hw like everyone else to do the first trainings...
But no, lets make this a 10B deal who someone will suck out 1B out of it even before its shipped
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#107To stay near the frontier of AI without being subject to the discretion of foreign countries the EU has to stay near the frontier of R&D themselves. Even if they can get around ITAR now and self-host, they would be stuck with having to repeatedly negotiate permission to use each new advance. If they do relax regulation (especially on energy generation) sufficiently to unleash the continent's big brained boffins and e…
What specific regulations are currently blocking AI entrepreneurs?
Money, data, electricity, at least? In addition to the AI-specific laws.
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#108Is this the way forward for the EU? Genuinely curious: Are there any EU providers that host the very good recent Chinese open weight models? Like, an EU-based alternative to DeepSeek's own API offering? To me, that sounds like an easier business to turn profitable, albeit maybe less impressive.
nextbit in spain is hosting deepseek but its the most expensive provider on openrouter. inceptron in sweden for glm and nebius in the netherlands hosting smaller models like nemotron. mistral hosting their own models obviously. its not a big market. the problem is big chunks of europe have expensive power and insane red tape for building data centers (or anything else really). i think france is the best option with c…
Is it only Norway that has abundant, cheap and renewable hydro-power?
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#109I think what's actually needed is two things: an EU training infrastructure that allows training of 10T+ models, and an EU inference infrastructure that is sufficient that it's possible to do RL on them. This effectively reduces the problem to a specialized supercomputing infrastructure problem which I think is relatively easy to solve. I think the chips are coming. I think Euclyd will be able to do the inference chi…
GLM 5.2 is ~40B active parameters, which is what matters most for training cost.
Re: Austria Lobbies EU to Host Anthropic After US Access Curbs
#110To stay near the frontier of AI without being subject to the discretion of foreign countries the EU has to stay near the frontier of R&D themselves. Even if they can get around ITAR now and self-host, they would be stuck with having to repeatedly negotiate permission to use each new advance. If they do relax regulation (especially on energy generation) sufficiently to unleash the continent's big brained boffins and e…
What is it that makes gas power plants so much more attractive than renewable energy? From what I heard, it's a bit easier to build them very fast and they reliably produce energy on demand (as long as gas is available of course). But I imaging one could replicate this using solar/wind and storage units. I could imagine that the challenge is that that having enough solar panels for a few gigawatts of consumption is h…
Very fast and reliable? Sold!