Totally left field request I know but does anyone know of a webcam that can do RTSP/sane protocol and long focus (think looking outside at landscape)?
IP Crawl: Living atlas of open webcams discovered on the public internet
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you’re aware the person wouldn’t want you to do that, yes it’s wrong. Being able to do something is not the same as it being right to do something.
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-legal-to-look-through-someone-el...
Maybe I missed it but this only seemed to be about the legality (which is always also specific countries)
Being able to do something, even if you can do it without the police showing up, is not the same as it being right to do something.
I think it’s wrong to cheat in a relationship but it’s probably legal.
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#103Definitely an invasion of privacy. I can’t visit this website in good faith. It should be taken down. The point is valuable, and the mission is important, but the ends do not justify the means. If this must be shared, at least use static pictures and don’t stream the content for viewers.
Yes and no? The owners of these devices made them publicly available by design or through ignorance. While they should be notified of their (maybe) mistake, it's no different from a person who doesn't understand that their neighbours can see into an open window at night. Should Shodan be taken down because it can search for these devices? What about Google because it can find admin consoles?
There is a difference between you taking a look through your neighbor's window, and compiling a list of houses known to have curtains open in your city and publishing the list to the public.
> What about Google because it can find admin consoles?
Intention and proportion matters. Google is overwhelmingly not used for discovering unsecured endpoints and that is what makes it OK. If you build a search engine that only serves admin consoles and markets itself as the search engine for admin consoles then you have a problem. There is a reason why DDOS for hire services market themselves as selling "stress testing for your own servers," because they are smart enough to know the consequences of knowingly breaking the law.
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#104Everyone: For a moment forget everything you know about computers and wonder if perhaps 99% of normies are just following the directions on the package of their $19 Chinese IP camera. They have no idea what a firewall is, or what the "public internet" even means. There's also a difference between your neighbor not closing her blinds and you using a telescope to look inside her apartment, which is what sites like this…
I still don’t understand how someone can end up accidentally exposing things to the public internet. With every ISP I have ever had in my country, it’s all NAT by default. Whatever I connect to my network, wired or wireless, would not be publicly accessible just like that unless I really really went out of my way to make it publicly accessible. How do so many people end up exposing these cameras to the public interne…
Is your ISP doing CGNAT? At least in the US that's not the norm. Most people have publicly routable IPv4 addresses (even if they rotate somewhat frequently) and most routers are configured to support UPnP out of the box.
This is an example of everything working as intended. The cameras are supposed to be accessable when you're not at home. Of course the cameras ought to ship with randomized default auth on a sticker attached to the unit the same way any half decent router does these days but they don't.
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#105Everyone: For a moment forget everything you know about computers and wonder if perhaps 99% of normies are just following the directions on the package of their $19 Chinese IP camera. They have no idea what a firewall is, or what the "public internet" even means. There's also a difference between your neighbor not closing her blinds and you using a telescope to look inside her apartment, which is what sites like this…
I see it more like that there are things you can do to make sure nobody else gets into your home, like locking the door.
If your door is unlocked, either through ignorance or negligence, it's still not right for someone else to just walk into your home and look through stuff you thought was private.
Sure, they can do it, but just being able to easily do something doesn't make it right.
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
You've read the comment the wrong way. The intent was to say "You cannot call a space private if it has a networked camera in it." Not "only a public space can host a camera".
Ok. The original commenter said: > "Many of these cameras are in private spaces" To which the gp answered > It's not private if it has a ip cam in it So what? Either he meant to contradict the op (and then it's correct to push back), or this is an entirely superfluous comment given they both understand what the problem is.
A space can be considered private by the occupant, but the addition of an IP camera makes it not private.
They are not contradictory statements.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
Telescope is a bad analogy. This is more like the neighbor is inadvertently projecting a feed from inside their house onto a display outside by the sidewalk for any passers-by to see.
No. This isn’t a passive “walked by the window” thing that you might have unwittingly viewed. To actively search for open cameras by crawling every IP then creating a tool to see them, then choosing to watch the footage is a very active, deliberate choice. No one is viewing this footage without making a multi-step choice to view it.
Don't confuse the creators and maintainers with people who click on a link out of curiosity. I also briefly "walked by the window" glancing at cats using automated feeders in china when someone posted that page to HN recently.
I'm surprised this is still a thing though. I remember being shocked when I came across an extensive feed of these inadvertently pubic CCTV feeds ~15 years ago. I had assumed it was no longer a problem.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
I dont think it is? https://alec.is/posts/ip-crawl-exposing-the-massive-open-web...
You think two independent scans of the internet captured the same image with the same timestamp entirely by coincidence? Edit: they're literally the same image 2fc4ad21cfce564f7aa65942eae7d4529c8af3d7ffb6287aa1fd79ebb78eb648 ipcrawl.jpg 2fc4ad21cfce564f7aa65942eae7d4529c8af3d7ffb6287aa1fd79ebb78eb648 shodan.jpg
From the article he linked:
If a subsequent probe fails, the system cross-references threat intelligence platforms like Shodan to match the host and falls back to their specific indexing methods.
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#109This website---naturally, I think---weirds me out. Many of these cameras are in private spaces, with some places you most certainly don't want people to have live feeds of. It's quite disturbing how you can see personal snapshots of people's lives without them knowing. There's a perverse feeling of dread about being able to see into someone's life and being able to paradoxically watch someone eat dinner alone, seemin…
I wonder how plausible it would be to deduce where a given webcam is (some combination of IP data, context clues, visible landmarks, maybe face searching) and then contact the owner to let them know. There used to be this fun site called where-is-this.com where people could share images of public places for others to try to track down; it would be nice to harness something like that for good.
I feel like I’ve read about three letter agencies using the humming of power lines to geo-locate where a video/audio was recorded.
“Electrical Network Frequency (ENF) analysis”.
I’m going to dig more and will leave some links when I get back to a computer.
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#110People hating on this project should ask themselves, should Shodan be taken down too? Because you can easily find these camera feeds on there too.