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Thinking of Selling on eBay using Paypal? Think Again

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Re: Thinking of Selling on eBay using Paypal? Think Again

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The whole tech culture is also to blame. I'm sure there have been a LOT of great alternate ebay, paypal start ups who just didn't get traction. Bloggers won't talk about you if you haven't raised a million and you won't get much traction on google without bloggers or spending major bucks. My Dreamybids.com site for example, is an awesome service that uses the quibids model. It allows anyone to host their own auctions…

This the kind of "innovation" rather similar to lottery, and I would rather it did not exist at all.

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#102

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>10 people pay $20 to participate in the auction That doesn't seem like an auction and to be honest I don't really like the idea either.

Then you are part of the innovation problem. You could be the one auctioning a service instead.

It doesn't really sound like an auction - more like a raffle. i.e. If 10 people pay $20 but only one wins it...

I actually looked at making a site like this for selling my house a couple of years ago. Fortunately I did some analysis before building it as in NZ it came under the gambling commission rules. This meant that I could only build a site like this if I donated all the proceeds to charity - unfortunately that was against what I was trying to achieve so never went through with it.

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#103

OP here. Interestingly enough, my conversations with Paypal became more and more surreal and I felt more and more powerless with every one in the end. I had a trail of information and there was evidence of multiple fraud, but I never felt as powerless as I did after my phone calls with Paypal. I am in contact with the police captain in the small town where the item was shipped, but I have very little faith in their a…

Have you tried contacting the PostMaster for that city? They should be able to assist you in finding the owner of the P.O. Box. From there you can start the motions for filing charges or a lawsuit.

Re: Thinking of Selling on eBay using Paypal? Think Again

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post #81

The only logical conclusion that can be made from eBay's and Paypal's policies is that they no longer want small sellers to use them. They want professional sellers to sell from their site, people who are used to dealing with chargebacks, etc, and can foot the bill when it comes to chargebacks/fraud. They want to facilitate BUYING from regular people, but make SELLING by regular people very difficult. There is no oth…

Of course. If you look their website now and their SEC filings, it is clear that eBay is not any more "garage sales on internet with auctions". It is more like discount store. Are there any of YC companies building "garage sales on internet"?

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Re: Thinking of Selling on eBay using Paypal? Think Again

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post #82

OP here. Interestingly enough, my conversations with Paypal became more and more surreal and I felt more and more powerless with every one in the end. I had a trail of information and there was evidence of multiple fraud, but I never felt as powerless as I did after my phone calls with Paypal. I am in contact with the police captain in the small town where the item was shipped, but I have very little faith in their a…

That is exactly what happened with me. The way they hide behind poor communication and offshore CS reps is amazing. I'd receive answers to my emails that had nothing to do with the content itself, recommendations to check a FAQ in response to three hours of phone calls with detailed information about the incident, etc. I'm happy you are publicizing this, but the thing is, this is happening everywhere , to all kinds o…

> I believe the only way forward is to pressure the FTC through our government representatives.

+1, this. Please, please file a complaint about Paypal/Ebay with the FTC about this. Enough complaining, and they will be forced to change or leave.

Re: Thinking of Selling on eBay using Paypal? Think Again

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course. If you look their website now and their SEC filings, it is clear that eBay is not any more "garage sales on internet with auctions". It is more like discount store. Are there any of YC companies building "garage sales on internet"?

just wondering how would you expect or how do other companies currently avoid fraud. The costs associated or added with constantly investigating fraud would almost seem like a deterrent in making a system useful.

I really don't know. For example, as MVP they could actually manually verify accounts (verify Facebook login, friends on that account, etc.). Also, at the beginning, maybe to allow only people in same city to do transaction. I know it is hard, but somebody much smarter than me could do it.

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post #84

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You can't sue a fake identity

Actually, you can (John Doe lawsuits). Besides that, most of these scams are not that sophisticated as you see in spy movies. You subpoena a few folks, and you get the identity. It usually turns out to be a 16 year old, but you still get it.

Serving a subpoena to "General Delivery" is problematic at best.

Re: Thinking of Selling on eBay using Paypal? Think Again

#108

Meanwhile, as a purchaser on Paypal, you only get 45 days after the day of the transaction - which caught us out last week. We ordered some stuff from (at least theoretically) a reputable company. We had to pay about 2 months ago, but kept getting emails telling us that the stock hadn't arrived yet and to just be patient. Then a couple of weeks ago, they told us that they actualy didn't have the stock and that we'd h…

I pay for stuff once in a while on PayPal. However, I do not maintain a cash balance with them, nor do I have a linked bank account. I have only my American Express card linked to my account.

A few years ago, I ordered some dirt cheap magazine subscriptions on eBay. I had done the same on eBay once before without a problem, but that was before the scamsters caught on.

You see, there is an inherent vulnerability with magazine subscriptions: they are not expected to start serving until approximately eight weeks after you order them. That's plenty of time for you to give positive feedback and a crooked seller to make more sales. It's also beyond that 45-day window you mention.

In the event, a couple of months passed. No magazines. I checked the magazine subscriber service sites and found that no subscriptions had been entered for me. I had paid on PayPal, via my American Express card. The action I took was to dispute the charge on the Amex website. It didn't occur to me take up the matter with PayPal first, so I didn't run into the problem you had. In any case, the chargeback was resolved in my favor.

Not long after that, eBay stopped allowing subscription sales on their site.

Re: Thinking of Selling on eBay using Paypal? Think Again

#109

Have you called an attorney? If you have one that you're on any kind of friendly basis, I've generally found that you can get a quick read on your case (30 minutes' worth of time) without any cost. IANAL -- first and foremost -- but I would think the best tactic may be to go after PayPal to get them to discharge your supposed debt to them, given that you've already swept the money out. Their seller's assurance contra…

LOL! What attorney would give a crap about a $500 phone? The sad truth is that in this system of ours, you can screw someone for up to $50-100k and get away with it because that's the minimum potential damages amount that would pique a decent attorney's interest.

What attorney would give a crap about a $500 phone?

A class-action attorney?

Re: Thinking of Selling on eBay using Paypal? Think Again

#110

This article goes into my "arguments for Bitcoin" pile. More sellers need to recognize the risks involved in doing transactions through PayPal/any other credit card processor and protect themselves.

There just needs to be an easier way to buy bitcoins. I added it to my gamerholic site and a couple users were just confused on where they can buy coins. You have to click one link after another.

No, the current ecosystem of Bitcoin is just fine. You have to click one link after another because you just don't _know_ anybody who has bitcoins.

One day you will get robbed by one of these exchanges, and you will blame bitcoins (or the bad man) and swear to never work with Bitcoins again. But they will be just one link in a chain of exchanges that you've trusted each one, hundreds of times, to bring you music and movies for bitcash, and nobody will write an article about it.

I am a small volume user but I have never been scammed by anybody in Bitcoin, except for that Bitscalper fellow.

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