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Re: SMPTE Makes Its Standards Freely Accessible

#103

Time for HW vendors to include a datasheet for everything they sell. And this should be mandatory.

Opened up my older clothes dryer to replace the belt. Has a two-pager schematic inside. Reminded me we used to have a TV that came with similar details.

Re: SMPTE Makes Its Standards Freely Accessible

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In France if a standard is mandated by law (like electrical home wiring) then it must be freely available. I assume most democracies have similar laws, it's a basic right to know what laws you should follow ...

Are you sure France is a democracy and not a republic?

Re: SMPTE Makes Its Standards Freely Accessible

#105

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This is a patently ridiculous take. People are still DIYing the very things you are concerned about, just not knowing whether what they did was up to code or not. Just look up DIY on YouTube and see.

Having access to the code won't change that. As laypeople it is too complex for them to understand. Often they simply ignore the code if they personally believe the code is unnecessary. It takes years of experience to understand why you should follow instructions you'd rather not. That's part of why the apprentice period is so long. I have never seen a YouTube video where anyone even mentioned the code unless they we…

And not a single thing you've said explains why the standards should be behind a paywall.

Re: SMPTE Makes Its Standards Freely Accessible

#106

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Having access to the code won't change that. As laypeople it is too complex for them to understand. Often they simply ignore the code if they personally believe the code is unnecessary. It takes years of experience to understand why you should follow instructions you'd rather not. That's part of why the apprentice period is so long. I have never seen a YouTube video where anyone even mentioned the code unless they we…

> As laypeople it is too complex for them to understand. Often they simply ignore the code if they personally believe the code is unnecessary. It takes years of experience to understand why you should follow instructions you'd rather not. Same is true about anything from cooking to crocheting to brushing teeth. Documentation isn't written for those who know, but for those want to know, and those who know better and w…

  > > That's part of why the apprentice period is so long.
  > I'm going to bet that technically, post-COVID, it's "$300 + few hours of videos and a quiz" long.
Try 5 years.

  > BTW. most contractors are in the "not very smart" group too
And that's why there's a code, and inspections, and penalties. They know that if they mess it up they could be fined, sued, or have their license pulled. Even with all their training they can still mess up. Which is why just giving a homeowner the electrical code and saying "good luck" is even less likely to work out. Many contractors learn just enough to do one specific kind of job, and then just keep doing that job. But they do learn the right way to do that one job.

  > Was I right to worry? Are they wrong? Well, I presume no to both, or else apartment building collapse would be daily news
Buildings are usually engineered so that if a single structural member fails the whole thing doesn't come crashing down, because sometimes shit happens. That doesn't mean it's a great idea to weaken the structural integrity of your house.

When it comes to putting a hole in a beam or column, it depends on the member, and there are specific sizes the hole can be, locations, etc. Sometimes contractors don't go into the details and say "it'll be fine", because the way they do it is fine, because they learned the right way a long time ago and don't tell you that part. They might even be dumb enough to not realize that you would do it a different/less-safe way. But they'd probably do it the right way themselves, because that's how they learned it.

However, buildings do fail on a daily basis. They just aren't news, or aren't catastrophic / life-threatening. A lot of bad stuff happens on a daily basis and almost none of it makes it into the news.

Re: SMPTE Makes Its Standards Freely Accessible

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To be fair, though, $300 is a pretty low bar. Certainly for any company, but even for a decent chunk of hobbyists who are really into building something. Even a few thousand dollars isn't much of a barrier for a company that wants to build a product.

> To be fair, though, $300 is a pretty low bar. What? You mean it's reasonable for a DIYer to cough up $300 just to find out what's the current standard for say, color coding wires on an AC outlet?

If you need multiple standards, it adds up quickly.

Re: SMPTE Makes Its Standards Freely Accessible

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It also locks up things for homeowners that want to DIY a solution fixing a house. Obviously people fix things without looking at the codes (and there are plenty of horror stories out there), but if we opened up house codes for people to actually look at and refer to, homeowners could potentially better find how to do things properly, especially with AI.

> especially with AI. While AI models still hallucinate commonly, this might not be the best use of it. The downsides of the occasional hallucinated answer for building standards seems like it could be pretty bad. Seems much worse than the upsides?

I think it's not just the answer you get, but using AI as a stochastic search engine over the rules to point you to potential answers.
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