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Americans express unease over SpaceX's influence on retirement savings

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Re: Americans express unease over SpaceX's influence on retirement savings

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The problem isn’t that you’re invested in the index. The problem is that the index decided it wanted to change its rules to include companies that are not profitable. I still remember the days when you needed to be profitable for x quarters and have a minimum amount of float to be listed in an index. That changed overnight and we all know why.

Can someone make an etf that uses the older more conservative criteria for inclusion?

Index licensing might be an issue.

Re: Americans express unease over SpaceX's influence on retirement savings

#102
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There is no moat around what they are doing really and they have competitors in all these sectors. All it takes is another administration to come in with a brain and a spine to not just hand contract blindly to Elon.

Blindly? SpaceX launches cost only 10% of what NASA was previously spending.

Not to mention it had to pay Russia $4 billion for seats on Soyez flights to ferry astronauts to the ISS.

Re: Americans express unease over SpaceX's influence on retirement savings

#103
post #14

An interesting variant of "privatise the profits, socialise the losses" played wholly in the private sector capital investment space. "When you're rich they let you" is big in this because a functional board of a company about to be vested with a massive debt overhang from a serial offender (X and xAI) would surely have said "could we NOT" about this and the whole model including A and B class voting shares suggests…

Is spaceX absolutely vital for the US national security through Starlink as well as the launch of military satellites? Yes, and as a matter of fact this is also true for NATO allies, Japan, Taiwan, SK, etc in any future conflict for at least the next 5 to 10 years, just as it has been for the past 4 years in Ukraine. In addition to land based infrastructure that can be targeted in any future war -undersea cables are…

If SpaceX is vital then we need to nationalize the company and have it under democratic control, not under a dictatorship of one.

Re: Americans express unease over SpaceX's influence on retirement savings

#104

SpaceX has not been added to the S&P 500. They asked for the rules to be waived. S&P said no. I don't understand this article.

S&P 500 has not therefore the index funds tracking it are not going to put money on it. But nasdaq has, that means the ETFs tracking are pouring money into spcx. On top of that, all 401k target funds are total market funds, that track all of the market regardless of what the indices do. They own trillions in capital from people’s retirement, and by their own investment rules, a listing with that kind of market cap forces a bunch of money to flow into the company.

Re: Americans express unease over SpaceX's influence on retirement savings

#105
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post #58

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If SpaceX succeeds, the gains will go to the same people who will bear the losses if it doesn’t. Both the gains and losses are privatized. The consumer/ad tech bias of HN is really showing. The app I use to share photos of my kids with my elderly relatives is worth $1.45 trillion, but somehow companies that make freaking EVs, robots, and rocket ships, and AI can’t possibly be worth that much? I’ve been in HN for 16 y…

There is no moat around what they are doing really and they have competitors in all these sectors. All it takes is another administration to come in with a brain and a spine to not just hand contract blindly to Elon.

"No moat" are you serious? It took SpaceX 20 years to develop reusable rocket launch tech they have and everyone else who is working on it is decade behind. Falcon Heavy per kg cost to LEO is 25 times lower than what SLS can provide. Freaking 25 times!

Re: Americans express unease over SpaceX's influence on retirement savings

#106
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> but somehow companies that make freaking EVs, robots, and rocket ships, and AI can’t possibly be worth that much? The sky-high valuation of SpaceX is almost entirely related to it's estimated TAM from AI entreprise solutions, not robots and rocketships. HN news comments have a similar bias against the sky-high valuations of OpenAI and Anthropic.

> The sky-high valuation of SpaceX is almost entirely related to it's estimated TAM from AI entreprise solutions, not robots and rocketships That’s not how TAM works. The valuation of each business unit isn’t just a simple proportion of its TAM like that. In the SpaceX/xAI merger, which was just a few months ago, the rocket company was valued at $1 trillion and the AI company at $250 billion: https://www.reuters.com/…

SpaceX's S-1 listed its expected TAM and did break it out by segment. $26.5 trillion to AI, $1.6 trillion to connectivity (Starlink), $0.370 trillion to space launch. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1181412/000162828026...

Re: Americans express unease over SpaceX's influence on retirement savings

#107
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If SpaceX succeeds, the gains will go to the same people who will bear the losses if it doesn’t. Both the gains and losses are privatized. The consumer/ad tech bias of HN is really showing. The app I use to share photos of my kids with my elderly relatives is worth $1.45 trillion, but somehow companies that make freaking EVs, robots, and rocket ships, and AI can’t possibly be worth that much? I’ve been in HN for 16 y…

The difference being, of course, that the photo app actually earns a profit, whereas the "EVs, robots and rocket ships" and ESPECIALLY the AI so far do not, and most likely will not any time soon.

Valuation is based on future prospects. Investing 101.

Re: Americans express unease over SpaceX's influence on retirement savings

#108
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The sky-high valuation of SpaceX is almost entirely related to it's estimated TAM from AI entreprise solutions, not robots and rocketships That’s not how TAM works. The valuation of each business unit isn’t just a simple proportion of its TAM like that. In the SpaceX/xAI merger, which was just a few months ago, the rocket company was valued at $1 trillion and the AI company at $250 billion: https://www.reuters.com/…

SpaceX's S-1 listed its expected TAM and did break it out by segment. $26.5 trillion to AI, $1.6 trillion to connectivity (Starlink), $0.370 trillion to space launch. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1181412/000162828026...

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Re: Americans express unease over SpaceX's influence on retirement savings

#109
post #25

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We all said that about Tesla for years, and a lot of people got burned on the trade. This time may be different, but it also may not be.

Tesla’s numbers looked vastly more reasonable. “In 2025, SpaceX generated $18.7 billion in revenue, with its Starlink satellite internet service accounting for $11.39 billion, or 61% of total sales.” Tesla had higher revenue number in at the start of 2019, when it had a market cap of ~0.06 trillion. Further Tesla was highly volatile in 2021 despite huge earnings growth with some people bank when it fell from 1.2T to…

Yes, Tesla was ridiculous at the time, but Tesla’s valuation at the time is normal for tech companies these days. However, the main comparison, which Elon has been trying desperately to escape, is traditional automakers. If you compare how out-of-line Tesla’s PE and PS ratios are against Toyota and other car makers, it’s about the same ratio as SpaceX to tech companies today.

Re: Americans express unease over SpaceX's influence on retirement savings

#110
post #14

An interesting variant of "privatise the profits, socialise the losses" played wholly in the private sector capital investment space. "When you're rich they let you" is big in this because a functional board of a company about to be vested with a massive debt overhang from a serial offender (X and xAI) would surely have said "could we NOT" about this and the whole model including A and B class voting shares suggests…

Is spaceX absolutely vital for the US national security through Starlink as well as the launch of military satellites? Yes, and as a matter of fact this is also true for NATO allies, Japan, Taiwan, SK, etc in any future conflict for at least the next 5 to 10 years, just as it has been for the past 4 years in Ukraine. In addition to land based infrastructure that can be targeted in any future war -undersea cables are…

If it is vital then that is a national security concern that it is under the control of a single person.
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