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Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by DaSHacka »

iioiio wrote: post #79
Bender wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elections are easier to solve technically . No mail in ballots. Require state ID in person at the voting center. But that's a different topic that can get divisive, long and derailed very quickly.

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>It’s just that a certain side is dependent on illegal voters.

This is so obviously the reason why, I can't believe anyone pretends its anything but.

"Why yes it makes total sense to have to present your ID to use the internet, dont wanna let kids use it freely!"

"You want in-person ID requirements for our domestic elections? What, do you hate black people or something?"

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by DaSHacka »

Gigachad wrote: post #68
Bender wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elections are easier to solve technically . No mail in ballots. Require state ID in person at the voting center. But that's a different topic that can get divisive, long and derailed very quickly.

The problem is not fake votes, it’s boomers having their brains cooked by AI videos coming from Russia they can’t identify as fake.

And how exactly is that a bigger problem than fraudulent votes? And how could you possibly solve it outside of segmenting the country's internet to prevent foreign ISP routes?

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by kyledrake »

Gigachad wrote: post #67
nodrog3000 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an impossible task. If a certain business wants to make human id required, let them. It should not be enforced by government. You have full control over your router and kid's devices so start there. Not anyone else's responsibility.

Parents are the main ones begging for this change. They are losing the war against Zuckerberg

Turning the entire thing into a doomed panopticon to "own the Zuck" is not going to end the way they think it will.

Farewell to freedom on the Internet and the days of wild abandon.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by jeremyjh »

Gigachad wrote: post #75
post-it wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure you can code your way into having a monopoly on violence.

That was the obvious issue with all the blockchain smart contract stuff that was getting pushed previously. Any time it interacts with the physical world the blockchain goes out the window the moment on someone on the ground decides they don’t agree with it. Your cryptographically signed deed means nothing and can’t evict someone off the land.

There is little room for a property or money transfer system that leaves no avenue for legal recourse. And the DAO fork made it crystal clear why it was always just window dressing on the same social consensus game.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by Gigachad »

DaSHacka wrote: post #102
Gigachad wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is not fake votes, it’s boomers having their brains cooked by AI videos coming from Russia they can’t identify as fake.

And how exactly is that a bigger problem than fraudulent votes? And how could you possibly solve it outside of segmenting the country's internet to prevent foreign ISP routes?

Because fraudulent votes in most developed counties are a complete non issue while people getting psyopped by troll farms and AI is monumental.

And yes, I think we likely will see social media become segmented so hostile nations will be blocked from posting on local social media. Or at least having them flagged as foreign accounts.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by signatoremo »

Gigachad wrote: post #67
nodrog3000 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an impossible task. If a certain business wants to make human id required, let them. It should not be enforced by government. You have full control over your router and kid's devices so start there. Not anyone else's responsibility.

Parents are the main ones begging for this change. They are losing the war against Zuckerberg

You mean TikTok? Kids aren't on FB

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by DiabloD3 »

emodendroket wrote: post #89
asdff wrote: post #35

What is the final defense? I suppose we create underground relay networks of radio networks within cities that allow for computers to connect directly to eachother, and from there we seed all our pirated content and discuss whatever the hell we'd like. Maybe we'd have to contend with low bandwidth when we connect outside our own city network, using larger wavelength radio to bounce off the ionosphere across the plane…

I don't think there's some magical technical trick that lets you do an end run around politics.

Oh, there is.

It was invented by China in the 10th century.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by lyu07282 »

asdff wrote: post #35

What is the final defense? I suppose we create underground relay networks of radio networks within cities that allow for computers to connect directly to eachother, and from there we seed all our pirated content and discuss whatever the hell we'd like. Maybe we'd have to contend with low bandwidth when we connect outside our own city network, using larger wavelength radio to bounce off the ionosphere across the plane…

> because for once in the history of civilization, we'd be fighting for our own right and not some elite group's right. I hope I am not alone in this line of thinking

They depoliticized people to this degree that they fantasize of joining the a-political resistance movement, its kind of sad. This isn't meant as an insult, you should be angry that you live in a society that left you politically oblivious. Like no dude, people fought against power all the time, the people who you listen to just told you that all that do are dangerous politicized radicals or terrorists. Find who is punching UP, then get a political education in that direction.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by paytonjjones »

pluralmonad wrote: post #97
paytonjjones wrote: post #77

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It's a collective action problem. The psychological impacts come from secondary network effects. The studies suggest that taking social media away from just your kid doesn't do anything, because the culture wherever they go will still be driven by it. So the only way I can protect my kids from it is to pass laws to force other parents' hands.

It is not necessary to dump our kids into institutions to be raised by their peers. It is necessary that you don't make decisions for other peoples kids.

Whether you legalize social media or not (or smoking, or drinking, or riding in a car without a seatbelt), that's making a decision for other people's kids. Choosing parental liberty is still choosing.

I sympathize with the libertarian impulse but for me, protecting my kids from other parents' poor decisions comes first.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by verisimi »

raincole wrote: post #38
asdff wrote: post #35

What is the final defense? I suppose we create underground relay networks of radio networks within cities that allow for computers to connect directly to eachother, and from there we seed all our pirated content and discuss whatever the hell we'd like. Maybe we'd have to contend with low bandwidth when we connect outside our own city network, using larger wavelength radio to bounce off the ionosphere across the plane…

The final defense is always to change the government (one way or another). When we need to resort to technical mean we have lost.

Change the governance. Both red, blue and the corporate sides are supportive of this.
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