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The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

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Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

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post #11

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That'd mean they sell for more than the advertised price given how the stock went up after launch.

Well, somehow the laws of gravity don’t apply to SpaceX, nor to Tesla.

> the laws of gravity don’t apply to SpaceX

If and when that happens the stock will really take off.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

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I'm not sure about these new dumb phones. Just not having social media in the first place has worked alright for me. I hate my phone, and my relationship with it, but sometimes you just need to use one. My preferred strategy is having a normal phone, minimal apps, and just keeping it switched off most of the time, particularly round the house. Thing is, I've got a worse problem with my laptop and desk. Between HN, li…

What wouldn’t you consider “doing nothing” if even chess and blogs don’t count?

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

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post #83

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You can't do video calls on those sub $100 phones though. Don't let the form factor fool you, this is not a dumb phone.

The Samsung with parental control does the same thing as this phone only you don't have to beg Commodore to install the apps your kid's school requires them to install. It's at most a $200 smart phone (doubling the prices for the DAC + IEMs) being sold at > $500 with a funky design, interesting OS and their own app store. I hope that they sell millions of these things, enough so that they can afford to buy the Amiga…

Exactly that. The idea that Commodore can decide which apps go on the device, and I'm supposed to pay a premium for that, is crazy to me. Parental controls solves the problem for kids, without preventing them from having apps the parents want them to have.

People in this thread are trying really hard to invent a customer base for this phone that was seemingly designed for exactly one person.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

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Regarding the price: the reality with all these alternative phones (e.g. the clicks communicator) is that you are going to have to pay a premium to make them worthwhile for the manufacturers. Scale (and the spyware economy) are what allow the larger companies to produce cheaper "better" phones, so comparing a phone like this with them on price isn't super productive. If you want something different than what the mass…

That unihertz "Jelly Star" with it's small size and rounded corners looks like a good prison phone choice, but still a bit of a "stretch".

Three inches! Even the greenest punk should be able to bend over and take it.

https://www.unihertz.com/products/jelly-star

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

#105
post #32

I'd go this direction as long as it had a real keyboard... Maybe it's time for the blackberry to reemerge.

Waiting for delivery of my Unihertz Titan 2 Elite. Hopefully it’s good overall, but I’m just excited to have a physical keyboard again.

A bonus is that it has some features for interacting with modern interfaces, like touch sensitive scrolling by swiping along the keyboard.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

#106
post #32

I'd go this direction as long as it had a real keyboard... Maybe it's time for the blackberry to reemerge.

https://clicks.tech/communicator

I’m surprised they’re able to offer the Dimensity 8300 at that price point. Curious to see how much RAM it comes with.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

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I get a lot of nostalgia and initial interest in these types of phones. But I always talk myself out of it because, with self control, my current phone is just as good plus it's one I already have. Perhaps when my current phone loses support then I'll consider these alternatives. But for the price... Eek. Rather just buy a "real" flip phone that can give out a hotspot.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

#108
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who bought a Commodore typewriter in the 1950s probably weren’t particularly interested in the C64 in the 1980s either. It would be more interesting to talk about the actual merits of the product.

There aren't any merits to talk about. A flip phone is still a nostalgia play. If someone is nostalgic about flip phones, they're nostalgic about a Nokia, Commodore was long gone by the era of flip phones. And, you can still buy flip phones from a variety of manufacturers, including Nokia, for under $100. A dumb phone, including from reputable manufacturers, is extremely easy and cheap to come by, if that's what you…

  > There aren't any merits to talk about. A flip phone is still a nostalgia play.
Not to everybody.

In my country we have a sizeable religious community which eschew the smartphone. Dumb phones sell here very well - on merit alone, no nostalgia.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

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Regarding the price: the reality with all these alternative phones (e.g. the clicks communicator) is that you are going to have to pay a premium to make them worthwhile for the manufacturers. Scale (and the spyware economy) are what allow the larger companies to produce cheaper "better" phones, so comparing a phone like this with them on price isn't super productive. If you want something different than what the mass…

Manufacturers do price according to volume. So why doesn't Jolla or Commodore plan a business strategy that focuses on increasing the volume? If $500 get you maybe 1500-2000 pre-orders, $300 may get you 5000+ orders. Sacrifice the profit margins somewhat, initially, to increase the user-base and revenue. Then use the userbase and revenue to get more investors. Currently, everyone targeting the "privacy" or "mindfulness" consumer market is just focusing on an even smaller segment among them (only the HNIs) with premium pricing. This business strategy is flawed. Look at any of the competitors - Light Phone III ($700+), Balance Phone Pro ($800+), Minimal Phone ($500+), Clicks Communicator ($500+), Fairphone 6 ($800+) - how many of them have actually succeeded growing their userbase, since their launch? How much can they really grow with that pricing, especially with the sub-optimal hardware and software (compared to their competitors) their users have to continue struggling with?

Some of you may argue the hardware is customised and developed in-house and that should justify the premium pricing. I would question the business logic of that decision. If the hardware isn't offering anything new (and as far as I can tell it isn't) that isn't already available in the market, why do you want to waste scarce resource on custom solutions instead of using cheaper, readily available designs? It is common knowledge that the consumer mobile device segment is highly competitive, profit margins thin and thus you need high volumes for long-term profitability. Thus, a business strategy that doesn't plan and prioritise for volumes is bound to struggle.

(I am sure there are many factors of this industry that I am ignorant about ... I was just thinking out aloud ...)

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

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Regarding the price: the reality with all these alternative phones (e.g. the clicks communicator) is that you are going to have to pay a premium to make them worthwhile for the manufacturers. Scale (and the spyware economy) are what allow the larger companies to produce cheaper "better" phones, so comparing a phone like this with them on price isn't super productive. If you want something different than what the mass…

I can buy a 10$ new flip phone right now from Shenzhen, pay for an order of 1000 pieces and you can put your own logo on it…cough…commodore …cough
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