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Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness

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Post by sowbug »

0fflineuser wrote: post #90
sowbug wrote: post #29

You might ask why motion sickness even exists in the first place. Why do nausea and vomiting make sense when your body is in a car or on a boat? Nobody knows for sure, but there's a convincing theory. Zillions of years ago, we were foragers. We ate what we found. And if we ate something bad, like a poisonous berry, we could die. One of the first symptoms of neurotoxin ingestion is that your eyes lose their tracking a…

So now if i ate a poisous berry in a car while on my phone I could die?

:) it's the price of progress.

Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness

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Post by sunaookami »

Cider9986 wrote: post #53
advisedwang wrote: post #14

Seems like there's a few android equivalents: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.panshen.mo... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.urbandroid... And even one that claims to work with sound: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.samsung.a1... EDIT: Actually there's an enormous number of apps like this, many released very recently with similar style etc. Weird.

I've found Kinestop to be much more effective and immediate than Apple's, highly recommend.

Same, +1 for KineStop.

Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness

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Post by Cider9986 »

Dibby053 wrote: post #98
Cider9986 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely, which is why I really appreciate the network permission on GrapheneOS. It makes me more comfortable to allow other permissions knowing no data can be exfiltrated.

>no data can be exfiltrated. Well, that depends on the other apps you have installed. Unless things have changed in newer versions, apps with no networking can still do IPC, so any app can for example use Cronet to make network requests via Google Play Services, regardless of the toggle, as long as sandboxed Google Play Services has network permission.

Agreed.

Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness

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Post by c-hendricks »

sowbug wrote: post #29

You might ask why motion sickness even exists in the first place. Why do nausea and vomiting make sense when your body is in a car or on a boat? Nobody knows for sure, but there's a convincing theory. Zillions of years ago, we were foragers. We ate what we found. And if we ate something bad, like a poisonous berry, we could die. One of the first symptoms of neurotoxin ingestion is that your eyes lose their tracking a…

I figured it was more

  if (areEyesDetectingMotion != isBodyDetectingMotion) vomit()
If it was just eyes and ears it doesn't seem like VR motion sickness would be such a thing.

Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness

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Post by subscribed »

Groxx wrote: post #57
Cider9986 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely, which is why I really appreciate the network permission on GrapheneOS. It makes me more comfortable to allow other permissions knowing no data can be exfiltrated.

It's wild to me that "internet access" is not revokable or even displayed in the Play Store in stock Android. It's such a huge security and privacy concern, even if most apps semi-legitimately need it. Or, it would be wild, if it weren't fairly obvious that this is just Google protecting their mobile ad revenue.

Well, Google is the advertisement company.

Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness

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Post by subscribed »

Dibby053 wrote: post #98
Cider9986 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely, which is why I really appreciate the network permission on GrapheneOS. It makes me more comfortable to allow other permissions knowing no data can be exfiltrated.

>no data can be exfiltrated. Well, that depends on the other apps you have installed. Unless things have changed in newer versions, apps with no networking can still do IPC, so any app can for example use Cronet to make network requests via Google Play Services, regardless of the toggle, as long as sandboxed Google Play Services has network permission.

Yep, nothing has changed yet. GOS project still has this in the road map, but as of now Inter Profile Sharing still works.

Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness

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Post by sowbug »

c-hendricks wrote: post #104
sowbug wrote: post #29

You might ask why motion sickness even exists in the first place. Why do nausea and vomiting make sense when your body is in a car or on a boat? Nobody knows for sure, but there's a convincing theory. Zillions of years ago, we were foragers. We ate what we found. And if we ate something bad, like a poisonous berry, we could die. One of the first symptoms of neurotoxin ingestion is that your eyes lose their tracking a…

I figured it was more if (areEyesDetectingMotion != isBodyDetectingMotion) vomit() If it was just eyes and ears it doesn't seem like VR motion sickness would be such a thing.

I suppose you could design an experiment that mucked with proprioception but not the vestibular system. Count me out as a test subject.

Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness

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Post by basisword »

ghostpepper wrote: post #76
dylan604 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And it's why reading in the car gets some people so horribly sick. As a kid, I was told to turn 90° so that the back and forth of my eyes reading were in line with the motion of the car. This was soooo before any kind of electronic devices. Hell, the radio in the car still had the giant push buttons for saving stations.

what I was taught (and what still works for me) is to look out the front window, never the sides, and pick a as far away (ideally on the horizon) to focus on. the theory being, at constant velocity in a straight line, your body feels at rest, so you want to look somewhere that reinforces that. looking out the side window has scenery rushing past, which is the opposite. turning sideways and reading sounds like a night…

This. Obviously, it doesn't help you read but if you're bad enough that just being in a car makes you sick it helps a lot. When I was younger any car sick kids got to sit up front and there were a couple of adults who had to be the driver for the same reason. I still get bad on boats and the only thing that has worked is to find somewhere to lie down and close your eyes for the journey. Makes a big difference on a ferry. Not as effective in smaller boats.

Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness

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Post by basisword »

modeless wrote: post #62

They don't cure my kids' or wife's car sickness, unfortunately. I'm not sure the implementation is as good as it could be. It seems a bit rough. Motion sickness is an overlooked problem. A large percentage of the population has severe, almost debilitating motion sickness. It curtails a ton of travel. Almost all transportation and tourism related businesses would stand to benefit hugely from a real cure, not to mentio…

It's not a 'cure' for me either but it does allow me to do quick short tasks on the phone if necessary and then I can get back to focusing on the horizon.

Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness

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Post by modeless »

stdbrouw wrote: post #100
modeless wrote: post #62

They don't cure my kids' or wife's car sickness, unfortunately. I'm not sure the implementation is as good as it could be. It seems a bit rough. Motion sickness is an overlooked problem. A large percentage of the population has severe, almost debilitating motion sickness. It curtails a ton of travel. Almost all transportation and tourism related businesses would stand to benefit hugely from a real cure, not to mentio…

OTOH, motion sickness is often called "car sickness" for a reason, people who suffer from it only sometimes suffer on a bus, and rarely if ever on a train or a plane, so I'm not sure I would agree that "all transportation and tourism related businesses" are impacted. Also, doesn't dimenhydrinate work for your wife or kids?

Dimenhydrinate has undesirable side effects. My wife cannot ride buses and gets sick on planes too. It restricts our travel quite a bit.
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