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Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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Post by 20after4 »

jkwn wrote: post #73
tengbretson wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to admit-- it is interesting that all of this media, that was made during a time when there were standards and morals, has painted such a clear picture of what you now expect life to be like.

It's easy to understand once you understand the power structures at play. The US was founded on Christian principles. Even the chief author of the constitution separated church and state for the express purpose of spreading the gospels of Jesus. There is the source of morality. And then since the mid 20th century this stronghold of morality was by the hidden architects of human affairs allowed to diminish by the corr…

All of the things you say have been around in the form of fringe conspiracy theories for a long time.

Thing is, way too many conspiracy theories, it would seem, are just plain facts (or at least very close to the truth if not 100% perfectly accurate in all the details)

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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Post by tenuousemphasis »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #100
N_Lens wrote: post #52

Missouri ratepayers will be able to verify Amazon's promise not to pass on the datacenter's costs on their monthly electricity bills!

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>It's so retarded. Vote for a government that makes it impossible to build more electricity generation capacity, then cry when electricity prices go up.

What the absolute fuck are you talking about? Missouri is solidly Republican run at the state level and they are very friendly to corporations.

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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Post by baq »

hibikir wrote: post #80
baq wrote: post #70

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If they also solve fusion, famine, climate disaster, cancer, dementia and child development disorders it isn’t as clear cut

Once you start from destroying democracy, the chances that the results will quickly put keeping the owner in power ahead of anything good for humanity are high. Autocracies are, in practice, inefficient messes that put loyalty ahead of competency, so one cannot really get prosperity in exchange for no representation. The loss of representation will get us the loss of prosperity real quick. This also applies within co…

I'm just taking destruction of democracy for granted; the question is if we get anything in return.

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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Post by Schiendelman »

dqv wrote: post #74
ianbutler wrote: post #58

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Most new builds don't even use evaporative cooling afaik, this will probably be closed loop. The implications being you're not risking the local water table and overall consumption is lower, a lot lower.

What percentage of new builds are using closed loop cooling? I've seen this pop data center "fact" thrown around, but with no data to back it up.

By capacity it's trending from around 60% now to 80% by 2030.

There is LOTS of reporting about this. One example:

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/big-tech/microsof...

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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Post by Schiendelman »

leptons wrote: post #71
xp84 wrote: post #57

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100% of the water that is 'used up' in a datacenter, or even in electrical generation, is evaporated into the atmosphere. The same one where the rain comes from. Everywhere East of the Rockies, they don't even have droughts, so that seems like a lot of area where we can use a lot of water with basically no impact because it's all just coming back into the water cycle directly as opposed to ending up in a water treatm…

The datacenter is still heating the atmosphere and consuming enormous amounts of electricity, which also heats the atmosphere. And it still won't solve our global climate disaster and is far more likely to contribute to a lot of bad things happening for humans.

Compared to what? Meat consumption? Land use regulations? This stuff is just not a drop in the bucket in comparison to the decisions we actually tell our government to make.

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Post by Schiendelman »

throwway120385 wrote: post #66
Gigachad wrote: post #28

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Ads create a terribly perverse incentive to increase users viewing time on platforms. It's the whole reason most of the internet has become so horrible. My email provider doesn't try to drive up my engagement because they have no incentive for me to use the product more than I naturally want to. I'd also be willing to bet that the current ad funded system ends up costing the average person more than just paying for s…

Next you'll tell me that doing something at cost as a public service is somehow better than getting the same thing but with a 20% margin tacked on for the shareholders.

The hard part is that when you have a few companies competing to do something, they very quickly start doing it for less money than government does because they innovate to compete with each other. You can take a snapshot in time and pretend cutting 20% off the top is worth it, but by the time you do the political organization you've usually lost the plot. Plus all of the mechanics of taxation and bureaucracy are usually more expensive…

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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Post by y2244 »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #62
ksec wrote: post #45

I wrote below in 2022 on HN [1] when everyone was panicking about AWS growth slowing down. * >>Amazon said Thursday that revenue growth in its cloud-computing unit slowed in the third quarter to 27.5%.* 27.5%. It is lower that their previous 33% growth over the past few years, but at the current size of AWS growing 27.5% is still ridiculously good. To put this in perspective, if AWS continues to grow at 33% in 2022 a…

AI's appetite for computation scales with the willingness of their funders to provide heavily discounted tokens to the general public. The basic play here is to get companies to fire people and adapt internal processes to the current heavily subsidized AI farms, and then jack the rates once the switching costs become untenable ... particularly if they can get a huge percentage of human programmers to quit the industr…

Think the basic play is to IPO or be acquired so investors make their 10x and someone else deals with the enshittification later

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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Post by duskdozer »

dyauspitr wrote: post #94

What a refreshing change from a post like this on Reddit. It would be hysterics like they’re emptying lakes and using electricity (gasp!) and if you get really close it’s 60db (!!) loud. I only wish we had a competent administration at this point that would put in clever laws like requiring data centers to build out accompanying solar+battery buildouts to power themselves or something.

Are you suggesting 60db is is acceptably quiet? It is well above the thresholds for sleep disturbance, negative health consequences, and in line with that of "[extreme irritation]". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_from_noise

Noise pollution is a serious issue and is second behind air pollution among environmental health risks.

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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Post by philipallstar »

mk89 wrote: post #89
tengbretson wrote: post #67

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Everyone on this site has been cashing checks building the job eating machine for years. The concern is only pouring out now that it may not need us anymore.

I am not against AI but putting automation tools is in a different category than "AGI, you only need specs and they do the work for you". 20 years ago even with automation etc you needed armies of people to make something work. It was more of a transformation of the type of work. Look at the amount of work Amazon as a company has created. It changed how people buy stuff etc, but behind the scenes there is always huma…

Amazon have gone back to having senior engineers review all code before production. Don't believe the hype about AGI when your own eyes have seen how fast the Tesla self-driving progress was until it almost hit a wall a few years ago.
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