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UK Brings in Full Social Media Ban for Under-16s

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Re: UK Brings in Full Social Media Ban for Under-16s

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I want my child to go out, but first I need to force every other child to go out. Maybe that's why children are not out? Because parents wait for all the other children to go out?

I mean, we view social networks as having network effects that keep people there. The same force that stops people from switching from Facebook and TikTok prevents people from abandoning social media altogether. Waiting for all the adults to be responsible and forward thinking seems a little far fetched.

So instead you are going to use the force of the state to tell them what they should do instead and then threaten them with violence/fines/jail time if they don't want to?

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> Musk wrote, “Only by protesting REPEATEDLY and LOUDLY will there be any change!!” I'm certainly not defending the man, but that comment to me is definitely not plainly seen as "advocating riots"... I'd call that a very disingenuous stretch of the truth. If we're going to criticize people, I think we need to do it for the right reasons.

And what the fuck does he think a protest on the lower Newtownards Rd looks like, given the complex history & social context? He's not thick, he's (at best) reckless.

> He's not thick, he's (at best) reckless.

Reckless definitely.

"Thick" is presently unclear: a lot of money and an existing competent team can hide a lot of damage upstairs; and it's not implausible that he has done that damage, even just because he is known to have sleeping difficulties[0], and sleeping difficulties are known to correlate with IQ impairment, and that's aside any questions about ketamine (between the war on drugs and AI SEO, I have no idea what that stuff really does).

[0] https://futurism.com/elon-musk-tweets-sleep

Re: UK Brings in Full Social Media Ban for Under-16s

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I'm not the UK government, so how would I know for sure? I'm just making some assumptions , no more than that. One common route that comes to my mind is this: block [something-dangerous] for children, then implement age verification for [something-dangerous], then use it as a tool of censorship. It's way easier to identify and track individuals based on their passport/ID/driving license than based on their email, IP…

I think it's absurd to say we're anywhere near Russia, a literal dictatorship. Russia blocks almost all Western and independent media, blocks or throttles Instagram, Facebook, Telegram, and WhatsApp. People who discredit the military can be jailed for 15 years . This is all based on the Russian government's own opinion on what is "dangerous". Conversely, social media is widely established as posing severe risks to ch…

Believe me or not, but I was discussing this with a lot of Russian people; I have some friends in Russia (and it's becoming increasingly complex to contact with them). And they tell that everything that they experience right now has also started with relatively "harmless" things like blocking piracy websites and some "far-right" Ukrainian media.

So you're not anywhere near Russia. Yet.

Re: UK Brings in Full Social Media Ban for Under-16s

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I think it's absurd to say we're anywhere near Russia, a literal dictatorship. Russia blocks almost all Western and independent media, blocks or throttles Instagram, Facebook, Telegram, and WhatsApp. People who discredit the military can be jailed for 15 years . This is all based on the Russian government's own opinion on what is "dangerous". Conversely, social media is widely established as posing severe risks to ch…

Believe me or not, but I was discussing this with a lot of Russian people; I have some friends in Russia (and it's becoming increasingly complex to contact with them). And they tell that everything that they experience right now has also started with relatively "harmless" things like blocking piracy websites and some "far-right" Ukrainian media. So you're not anywhere near Russia. Yet .

That just sounds wrong. It's a totally different political and cultural climate. Russia has been aggressively censoring the internet since the 2000's, including blocking websites simply for advocating opposition parties (the famous example being Garry Kasparov in 2009). Prior to which the state was already indirectly controlling almost all television and newspaper media. The idea that this is somehow the first step towards a fascist dictatorship is a clear slippery-slope fallacy.

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Believe me or not, but I was discussing this with a lot of Russian people; I have some friends in Russia (and it's becoming increasingly complex to contact with them). And they tell that everything that they experience right now has also started with relatively "harmless" things like blocking piracy websites and some "far-right" Ukrainian media. So you're not anywhere near Russia. Yet .

That just sounds wrong. It's a totally different political and cultural climate. Russia has been aggressively censoring the internet since the 2000's, including blocking websites simply for advocating opposition parties (the famous example being Garry Kasparov in 2009). Prior to which the state was already indirectly controlling almost all television and newspaper media. The idea that this is somehow the first step t…

> first step towards a fascist dictatorship

Note that you have introduced the term "fascist dictatorship" into the conversation, not I. So that may be the issue with how you understand my words. Moreover, when I was comparing Russia to UK, I was only comparing them in terms of censorship and amounts of attempts to enforce a state control over the Internet.

And I fail to see how political and especially cultural climate matters in this discussion. Wasn't it the British prime minister, David Cameron, who back in 2015 pledged to ban all online messaging services which provide end-to-end encryption? Isn't that the UK in which Investigatory Powers Act (2016 one) exists? Isn't that in the UK where voices are heard to ban or regulate VPNs by introducing the mandatory age verification? What about the whole recent UK "Digital ID", or so-called "BritCard" effort? Clearly, the political climate may be different, the cultures may be distinct from each other, but still two countries may wander in roughly the same direction - at least as it seems to me in my personal view - when we're talking about censorship.

My argument was never about the "climate". It was rather about the "current weather", so to speak. And the forecast, based on all these data points, looks remarkably similar - but, I must reinforce, only to me - that's my own, personal opinion.

With all that said, to be completely honest - I don’t really care what happens to the UK. It’s not my country at all; I have no connection to it, and what happens there affects me personally, my family, and my friends about 0%. Whether the UK establishes yet another (in the world) dictatorship with an iron curtain, or simply introduces Internet censorship and surveillance for the good of the people, or manages to preserve true democratic values and not trample on human rights - to be perfectly honest, I couldn’t care less. At least - until the UK’s domestic policies start harming other countries through their expression in foreign affairs. For me, the main thing is that nothing like that happens in my country or on my doorstep; the rest isn’t that important, no matter how cynical that may sound...

Re: UK Brings in Full Social Media Ban for Under-16s

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That just sounds wrong. It's a totally different political and cultural climate. Russia has been aggressively censoring the internet since the 2000's, including blocking websites simply for advocating opposition parties (the famous example being Garry Kasparov in 2009). Prior to which the state was already indirectly controlling almost all television and newspaper media. The idea that this is somehow the first step t…

> first step towards a fascist dictatorship Note that you have introduced the term "fascist dictatorship" into the conversation, not I. So that may be the issue with how you understand my words. Moreover, when I was comparing Russia to UK, I was only comparing them in terms of censorship and amounts of attempts to enforce a state control over the Internet. And I fail to see how political and especially cultural clima…

The difference in political climate matters because the public has the ability to vote in a party that will roll back the Investigatory Powers act, if it was something they cared about. The difference in cultural climate matters because Russian citizens are used to authoritarianism whilst British citizens tend to balk. And the "current weather" is so far apart that your comparison is absurd. Compare their press freedom indexes, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Index#Rank...
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