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A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by torstenvl »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #57
reddalo wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The crazy thing is that a simple 9-digit number (that you must give away for many things) can ruin your life if it gets public. The US seems so backwards at times.

at times? we can't even decide if women are allowed to control their own bodies. we're now open to states stopping people with dark skin from voting, and we have giant internment camps where we keep innocent men, women, children because they have a spanish accent. vaccines are apparently not a worldwide health miracle, education is overrated, we're bringing back jobs in coal and oil, and invading/destabilizing latin…

Please don't spew hyperbolic slop in the service of ideological warfare. Thats not what HN is for.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

singpolyma3 wrote: post #77
smallmancontrov wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What ever happened to SHAKEN/STIR? I thought this was supposed to happen 5 years ago. Did they just chicken out on the prospect of actually shutting down telcos sending spam volume? I still get loads of spam phone calls, so clearly something went wrong (or slow enough to be indistinguishable from wrong).

Just because a call is a spam call doesn't mean it is spoofed. STIR/SHAKEN ends spoofing but anyone can ultimately buy a phone and make calls that are spammy.

Spoofing isn’t ended at all

Almost every spam call has that I get, is spoofed.

Someone here explained it, once.

I think the spoofed calls use a legacy transport tech that can’t be forced to validate.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by frollogaston »

br0ceph wrote: post #3

Im USA based use prepaid service because I dont want to provide information for a credit check to obtain postpay service. Theres absolutely no reason for a US based telephony provider to retain the most sensitive PII on their customers. Every large provider has a history of breaches and selling customer data. The telephone companies are already tracking, storing, selling; so many data points on their customers. They…

I got ATT prepaid in January and still had to give my ID, but it was weirdly not upfront but later on when I was trying to actually activate the service. Not sure what the deal is.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by gunsle »

gwerbin wrote: post #63
agloe_dreams wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing I wonder is if this is just one step removed from 'Now we know the identity of every user so we can now have both probable cause and verified identity to arrest over statements containing speech we do not like.' " Like that is Carr's FCC in a nutshell - he wants to control speech by controlling the airwaves. That is a raw fact in his behavior. But when the news stations say the thing they want them to say,…

If you have to wonder, you don't need to wonder. So now not only can "antifa"-related speech qualify you as a terrorist ( https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/coun... ), now your phone is legally required to track you and report your location at all times. The legal infrastructure is in place to track and bring a wide range of consequences down on just about any and all political enemy, whether tha…

Are you trying to imply that there isn’t coordinated attacks by fringe groups just because they’re leftist?

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by Hizonner »

rastrojero2000 wrote: post #99
Hizonner wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government is allowed to create regulations that harm people economically. Not much money to be had by instantly losing that fight.

Do those regulations often involve the creation and protection of the profit motive for foreign black markets?

Sometimes. Your point?

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by frollogaston »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #82

Honestly I'm at the point where I'm like lets just kill the POTS. It makes little sense to me that it's become a sort of user ID for many things, that we have better alternatives (WebRTC, FaceTime et al) that we should push. Like where it currently says "Telephone number" i should be able to put in a URL like "webrtc:// " (which itself could be a dropdown box for "This device" on the phone itself...) For example, why…

IMEI is tied to the physical phone, Facetime is Apple-specific, idk what the webrtc option would be. I'm actually glad phone won as digital ID, not cause it's the best choice but because it could've been a lot worse.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by logicchains »

elevation wrote: post #60
theturtletalks wrote: post #28

KYC and AML are the most blatant attempts at subverting due process I’ve ever seen. Instead of the government actually trying to catch money laundering, they just make 3rd parties like banks and payment processors judge, jury, executioner. Effectively giving them the power to decide who can do business. And if they decide you can’t, you have no recourse. If the government didn’t give this power to private companies,…

> the most blatant attempts at subverting due process This seems so clear to me; KYC is an end run around the constitution. But how do we stop it? If we legislate "no KYC" then what is my recourse when an imposter empties my accounts? You'd want it to be at least allowed. But if we allow industry to require KYC "we will only deposit your pay to a verified bank account" then you may end up with de facto KYC if not de…

>But how do we stop it?

Use Monero as much as possible. If enough people adopted it, there's absolutely nothing they could do to stop it short of turning off the internet entirely. Even China, with the strictest internet controls in the world, hasn't managed to stop people paying for banned goods and services in crypto there.

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