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The EU Open Source Strategy

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Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

iamacyborg wrote: post #76
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #62

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> Instead of letting the best product win by consumer choice, they're forcing every messaging product to become mediocre. Do you really believe products win because they’re the best? I’d strongly argue that monopolistic power and loss-leading VC investment is what drives success.

Yes. This is why, for example Whatsapp is the most used messaging app in the world: it is lightweight and super simple. It could have been any number of apps, but they won fair and square.

This was the first example that comes to mind. And hardware wise I would argue the iPhone is the best phone because so many people buy it compared to other alternatives. And I don't believe for a second people buy because iMessage.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

3form wrote: post #78
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #62

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R&D spend? In messaging product? Sorry, but these companies spend much more effort on making sure their product is walled off and incompatible with everything than giving it any actual quality.

> R&D spend? In messaging product?

You think Whatsapp for example is this lightweight and easy to use on basically any phone because no one spent a dime on some R&D on how to make it the way it is?

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by blitzar »

pi-err wrote: post #65
esperent wrote: post #19

I wish there was somewhere I could earnestly and intelligently have discussions about EU related tech and tech policy, but HN isn't it. As you can see already in this thread, there's 14 comments besides mine and they are 100% negative, and about 95% low effort/reactionary. Of course there's a lot to criticize and also to appreciate about the EU. But this is supposed to be a forum for intelligent, thoughtful discussio…

True but it also reflects that the EU has indeed destroyed most goodwill towards it in the last decade regarding most things digital. Most EU initiatives have damaged everyday UX on the web and in tech. Yes, some malicious compliance has played a role by over-reacting to well-intended regulations. But overall the EU has brought this upon itself. This specific Open Source Strategy memo is typical. It's in fact not a s…

> True but it also reflects that the EU has indeed destroyed most goodwill towards it

Or you have been brainwashed by the billions spent annually to make you believe stories about bendy bananas and occult initiation ceremonies as a condition of being a member.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by esperent »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #59
esperent wrote: post #47

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> You dislike criticism No, I love criticism, as long as it's balanced and thoughtful, and invites discussion rather than being knee-jerk reactionary. Please read my comment more carefully.

> No, I love criticism, as long as it's balanced and thoughtful, and invites discussion You forgot to add "and it matches my worldview of things". Knee-jerk criticism is very fine, like "Microsoft sucks" anytime someone mentions Microsoft. You can just ignore it and move on.

No, I intentionally didn't add that. Please challenge my worldview, engage and disagree me. Just put some effort in, please.

However, you're still missing the salient point of my comment - that is, overwhelmingly the comments on any post related to the EU here are low effort, negative, reactionary. Honestly, I feel like you're not willing to engage with the point. It's not even the negativity that's my main issue here, it's the overwhelming low-effort, thoughtless nature of it which prevents any attempt at genuine discussion (positive or negative). It's groupthink, reddit style, and while HN is far from perfect there's almost no other subject that brings out this kind of reaction. Except for React, maybe.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by tcfhgj »

iamacyborg wrote: post #98
gib444 wrote: post #85

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Right. It’s the loopholes that make them bad

What loopholes?

- digital services act mandates interoperability in chat, but apparently companies can put require obnoxious terms for interoperating parties such as sharing their users IP addresses - which service is going to agree to that if a very large portion of the alternatives target people not wanting to share data with Facebook?

- pay "ridiculous price" or accept ads & tracking instead of allowing to disable tracking

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by mrdevlar »

esperent wrote: post #19

I wish there was somewhere I could earnestly and intelligently have discussions about EU related tech and tech policy, but HN isn't it. As you can see already in this thread, there's 14 comments besides mine and they are 100% negative, and about 95% low effort/reactionary. Of course there's a lot to criticize and also to appreciate about the EU. But this is supposed to be a forum for intelligent, thoughtful discussio…

Honestly, as a European, I am okay with this.

I want the US tech community to continue thinking of us as some sort of technological backwater. Ridiculing and deriding us, so they never see as any place where they are welcome. Since given the last ten years, they pretty much aren't. There's basically little to nothing that US tech services have to offer Europe.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by samrus »

pi-err wrote: post #65
esperent wrote: post #19

I wish there was somewhere I could earnestly and intelligently have discussions about EU related tech and tech policy, but HN isn't it. As you can see already in this thread, there's 14 comments besides mine and they are 100% negative, and about 95% low effort/reactionary. Of course there's a lot to criticize and also to appreciate about the EU. But this is supposed to be a forum for intelligent, thoughtful discussio…

True but it also reflects that the EU has indeed destroyed most goodwill towards it in the last decade regarding most things digital. Most EU initiatives have damaged everyday UX on the web and in tech. Yes, some malicious compliance has played a role by over-reacting to well-intended regulations. But overall the EU has brought this upon itself. This specific Open Source Strategy memo is typical. It's in fact not a s…

> True but it also reflects that the EU has indeed destroyed most goodwill towards it in the last decade regarding most things digital.

Not for me, my opinion of things like GDPR and forcing usbc on phones gives me the impression that the EU is holding corporations accountable and looking out for normal people.

Its been mentioned before but i feel like while alot of negative views might be organic, alot are also the result of tech companies' smear campaigns against the EU

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by M95D »

whilenot-dev wrote: post #94
dash2 wrote: post #83

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If your friends have never said “man I hate these cookie popups”, they sound like a highly selected group.

Don't be silly, the legislation doesn't state that websites have to show cookie popups. It's rather where the term malicious compliance enters the picture, a compliance incentivized by the financial interests of the biggest advertising businesses the world has ever seen.

^ That, and lazy devs who prefer to add a one-line cookie banner js, than review if they need or even use tracking cookies.
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