Why not just dutch company? There are European countries that are obviously pro-russia...
Yeah seriously if ADF gets elected do you cancel German contracts?
Dutch gov't will only allow European company to operate DigiD platform
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Why? It’s been around in the netherlands for a while and it’s extremely convenient, basically just functions as SSO for government apps.
I don't care much about government services. The less I deal with them, the better. I can file my stupid taxes using some certificate that was sent to me by mail, that's enough for me. What else would the government have to offer? If I move I'll show up at some local entity, get my passport updated and I'll never think about it again until next time I move.
Taxes, health insurance, medical records, updating business registrations, pension, pharmacies, university programs, mijnoverheid (the like government message box where you get digital copies of any mail that would be sent to you)
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm getting spam and harassment from accounts promoting Israels eurovision contestant, on IRC, in 2026. It's every year and probably on all newer socials too.
No wayyyy what are they saying?
Some just link Israels submission urging channel members to vote for it. Some join and casually but randomly for the channel bring it up "are you guys watching Eurovision this year?" asking what people's favorites are and saying Israel is their favorite (always ends in name calling when someone says Israel sucks or isn't their favorite).
If this isn't automated id love to hear from the people behind it some time. Nice feeling relevant on irc in TYOOL 2026
Re: Dutch gov't will only allow European company to operate DigiD platform
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's an unfortunate Dutch way of doing things. The firm believe that the market will solve it if you have a contract that says thing will be solved. Write a tender, pick the cheapest party, trust in contracts, hope it won't break before you (the external contractor pushing for it) move on in a few months time. The people who pointed out that none of the moving parts of DigiD should have been outsourced were ignored u…
It's important to add the context that whenever our government tries to do something by themselves it ends up late and severely over budget. So you have to weigh the risks of outsourcing to the risk of the whole thing becoming very late and very expensive. The risks around outsourcing are something further down the line, the risks of everything becoming expensive and late are something that will give the responsible…
> It's important to add the context that whenever our government tries to do something by themselves it ends up late and severely over budget.
This is, however, true for any value of "our government".
Re: Dutch gov't will only allow European company to operate DigiD platform
#105Finally. But now they want NL Wallet to use Google and Apple accounts for login, so this is happening again.
There is hope: Thank you for raising this issue. We are aware that our current implementation does not yet work on GrapheneOS. This is a temporary situation we plan to resolve before this app goes public. https://github.com/MinBZK/nl-wallet/issues/34#issuecomment-4... Until then, I'd recommend every Dutch person (or probably every EU person, since this could also influence other wallets) to upvote/heart the initial r…
Thanks for this link. Will forward this
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
Any network service with 24x7 availability and millions of users requires constant maintenance. Hardware has some lifetime and needs to be maintained and replaced. OS needs patching. Dependencies need security updates and, time to time, migrations to next major LTS update. Sometimes new requirements come from regulatory, that need development of new features. The skill set needs to be maintained. Support requests nee…
Of course, I understand why some maintenance is required. I just don't get why there is apparently a big maintenance burden over something that is usually a single small feature of a service
Digital ID is in no way just a „single small feature of a service“, but even if it would be so, for every tiny thing there exist 10x more requirements that make it a product.
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I work (and always has) in the private sector and we can be even better at ending up over budget and be even later at delivery. I don’t believe for a moment that the government has a monopoly on underachieving!
The problem isn’t public or private, it’s incentives. If the private company is granted a defacto monopoly, it doesn’t matter that they’re a “private” company, they will have the same incentive and accountability problem. What we know for certain though: Government taking over something is definitionally a monopoly and 99.99% of government employees are not subject to the accountability mechanism of elections. Histor…
> accountability mechanism of elections.
Are you seriously suggesting that electing civil servants would be an improvement?
Re: Dutch gov't will only allow European company to operate DigiD platform
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's important to add the context that whenever our government tries to do something by themselves it ends up late and severely over budget. So you have to weigh the risks of outsourcing to the risk of the whole thing becoming very late and very expensive. The risks around outsourcing are something further down the line, the risks of everything becoming expensive and late are something that will give the responsible…
Expat/kennismigrant here - it's same "ends up late and over budget" for literally every country (and private businesses). What Dutch government/politicians seems to be "ahead" compared to other countries - is combination of narrow or short sightedness and (over)correction trough rules, laws and regulations. Like giving subsidies and tax breaks for electrical cars, rooftop solar panels and mandating household switch f…
> ignoring industry professionals for decades saying the distribution network won't scale.
Who says that? The British National Grid says the opposite. Or is it specifically the Dutch network that would not handle the changing requirements? If so what makes it special?
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#109As a French person, I'm confused as to why DigiD is not a government-run project like FranceConnect is. I'm even more bewildered that an American company thought that they could take over the national identity management system of an European country, as if this was business as usual.
Meanwhile Palantir is getting in tight with the UK government, to the point of managing the UK's firearms, explosives, and poisons licensing: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48403043