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Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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> the de-facto document format are crappy hancom formats What's hancom?

A web search will give you a faster and better answer than you will get by asking here.

Apparently not, since most of the results I get (that are in English) are about a lawsuit they lost for violating the AGPL.

Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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Korea's tax revenue has increased thanks to the AI boom, so the country is actively promoting AI at the national level, creating pressure that you have to use it or else, and continuously announcing projects with 'AI' attached to them. The problem is that a freelance individual like me has no way to get involved—it's almost entirely a business based on personal connections. Personally, I think if this is successfully…

hmm so which sane country would 'import' this?

No sane country would import what jdw64 is describing.

AI boom, but only the politically loyal can bid, is not only insane, its literally justifying corruption and censorship by forcing people to take out loans from them to buy GPUs to be compliant, which seems to be the crux of what he thinks other countries should follow.

I guess it can make for a cheap kdrama where authoritarians will use GPUs as collateral and force journalists and political into an everlasting debt and call it a "national AI strategy".

Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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Looks like South Korea is taking a page out of its northern neighbour's book.

Will this impact software exported out of Korea? I can't imagine Samsung will gain any popularity if their phones come prepackaged with AI censorship tools. It massively backfired when Apple planned to do it on iPhones.

Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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I don’t think this framing works nor is your attitude of "I'm korean I automatically know more than a foreigner who studied Korean history". It is true that Korean conservatives have used censorship and authoritarian language before such as Yoon’s 2024 martial-law attempt is the obvious recent example, and nobody serious should minimize that but that does not make the Democratic Party some neutral actor, or make cens…

First, I'm a bit sorry for my somewhat sarcastic tone earlier. You're also right about some things. That said, your research basically differs from what the Korean Political Science Association states. Regardless, both of Korea's two major political parties fundamentally like authority and censorship. Looking at their actual censorship policies, both have done quite similar things. So what difference is there? Mainly…

Ah there's the "You are foreigner you will never understand" line!

You went from Democratic Party is akshually conservative to "everybody censors in korea, you dont get us" but if both sides censor, then my point stands: the Democratic Party does not get laundered as harmless just because it uses words that sound nice and formal.

I'm not a christian and it really doesn't change the previous actions to ban anti-North Korean activists sending leaflets, lawfares against journalists and non bipartisan arbitration of the press.

Earlier you said that AI censorship is okay because the whole country benefits economically from more AI use and that it should be exported to other countries. Now you are blaming Christians.

I don't think you are coming across as rational or persuasive and the constant condescending tone towards foreigners in general is off putting. I think if anything you are unable to recognize your own political bias and trying to gatekeep Korea as this weird orientalist object. and it really isn't.

Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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I don't think it's a dystopia. Hanlon's razor still applies. But I beg to differ on your classification of North Korean policies as "lightweight". Korean internet policies usually mandate a very specific technology (like SEED, or apparently this new model now) and weave a web of highly-detailed, Korea-specific regulations that end up creating a monopoly or oligopoly of objectively inferior and highly insecure softwar…

I wrote "lightweight polices" not policies. The police presents itself as benign looking in a public context. Enforcement of day to day offences is done mechanically by machines. A state trooper doesn't stop you on a speed check with his hand on his gun. Yes, online policies are wild and not lightweight at all.

Ok, I think I misunderstood you. Lightweight policing, not policy. I guess this happens in the US, but in most countries cops wouldn't stop you for a traffic violation with a gun in their hand. In some countries (e.g. the UK) the police aren't even carrying guns. As far as I'm concerned is not lightweight policing but normal policing. The US is the outlier here, not Korea.

Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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First, I'm a bit sorry for my somewhat sarcastic tone earlier. You're also right about some things. That said, your research basically differs from what the Korean Political Science Association states. Regardless, both of Korea's two major political parties fundamentally like authority and censorship. Looking at their actual censorship policies, both have done quite similar things. So what difference is there? Mainly…

Ah there's the "You are foreigner you will never understand" line! You went from Democratic Party is akshually conservative to "everybody censors in korea, you dont get us" but if both sides censor, then my point stands: the Democratic Party does not get laundered as harmless just because it uses words that sound nice and formal. I'm not a christian and it really doesn't change the previous actions to ban anti-North…

Hmm, you're too fixated on specific words. To be honest, I think you're only seeing fragments of South Korea.

It's not because you're a foreigner — the problem is simply that what you see from outside is only a fragment of the issue.

Look back at your original post.

And for the record, I was mostly making dark jokes.

This time, purely for your sake, I'll speak without any dark humor — just the facts:

Banning leaflets sent by North Korean activists — this issue has both pros and cons. These actions fundamentally create military tension for residents living near the border with North Korea. The Democratic Party side (pro-Sunshine Policy) naturally dislikes it. It's a conflict between personal convictions and national interests.

The more AI usage increases, the more it benefits the national economy? — Not exactly. South Korea is so favorable toward AI primarily because the country has many memory semiconductor companies. The government is simply shaping policy to ride that trend.

And my comment about exporting the censorship system if it succeeds — that was just a dark joke.

Legal attacks on journalists, non-transpartisan media regulations — these are problems that every administration has faced. And yet your original post only focused on the 'current' government, didn't it? Let's not twist what you said.

If you had written a comment saying something like 'South Korea transpartisanly regulates the media and has a national character that loves restricting freedom,' I would have upvoted you and praised you. But instead, you framed it as if only one administration behaves that way, while whitewashing others — and your tone was so assertive. That's the only reason I criticized you.

No one hates South Korea more than I do.

Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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First, I'm a bit sorry for my somewhat sarcastic tone earlier. You're also right about some things. That said, your research basically differs from what the Korean Political Science Association states. Regardless, both of Korea's two major political parties fundamentally like authority and censorship. Looking at their actual censorship policies, both have done quite similar things. So what difference is there? Mainly…

Ah there's the "You are foreigner you will never understand" line! You went from Democratic Party is akshually conservative to "everybody censors in korea, you dont get us" but if both sides censor, then my point stands: the Democratic Party does not get laundered as harmless just because it uses words that sound nice and formal. I'm not a christian and it really doesn't change the previous actions to ban anti-North…

Looking at your first reply, you basically say in context that it's a left-wing regime with no one to stop it — but I don't understand why this is linked to a 'left-wing regime.' Even the Korean Political Science Association basically classifies the Democratic Party as part of the conservative camp. In fact, it's more accurate to see it as a big tent party.

In that context, reading your post makes me ask back: 'So were the right-wing parties fine?' But that's not the case — it's just that censorship incidents happen under every administration.

If you had written something like, 'South Korea tries to censor under every administration, and the National Assembly is all in cahoots,' then naturally I would have said, 'Are you Korean? You seem to know Korean history very well.

Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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The future is self hosted private invite only communities of vetted real life humans, likely done in person.

no, its public federated social media running on at protocol. no big tech control, no crypto bullshit like nostr, no way for bad admins to delete your posts like mastodon (they can only ban you from their own server). you can build a web of trust or vetting system on top of that like what tangled is doing for code.

Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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First, I'm a bit sorry for my somewhat sarcastic tone earlier. You're also right about some things. That said, your research basically differs from what the Korean Political Science Association states. Regardless, both of Korea's two major political parties fundamentally like authority and censorship. Looking at their actual censorship policies, both have done quite similar things. So what difference is there? Mainly…

Ah there's the "You are foreigner you will never understand" line! You went from Democratic Party is akshually conservative to "everybody censors in korea, you dont get us" but if both sides censor, then my point stands: the Democratic Party does not get laundered as harmless just because it uses words that sound nice and formal. I'm not a christian and it really doesn't change the previous actions to ban anti-North…

And actually, I think foreigners can see Korea from a different perspective. If anything, someone without those cultural habits can view things more from a third-party perspective.

To be honest, zuzululu, reading your posts, I can tell that you're someone who deeply respects individual human values. But that aside, when you criticize 'the left-wing regime,' other commenters besides me bring up things like martial law under previous administrations, don't they? And calling it a 'left-wing regime' doesn't even make sense — it contradicts what Korean political science associations have clearly stated. The Democratic Party of Korea is fundamentally a big-tent party oriented toward centrist conservatism.

So it's not 'you're a foreigner, so you wouldn't know.' Rather, I can't help but point out that the articles you have access to are biased. I also have some sense of why you're angry. If I made you feel bad, there are points where I could apologize — but I don't understand why you insist on framing this as a 'left-wing regime.'

People who obsess over 'left' and 'right' like this tend to attribute everything good to their own side and everything bad to the other side, and that diminishes the value of your thinking. The starting point of the problem with your post is precisely that what you call the 'left-wing regime' differs from how Korean political science associations define it.

South Korea has many problems: extreme concentration in the Seoul metro area, severe gender conflict, a society that treats anyone without a prestigious degree as a failure, absurd working hours, exploitation of young children, and a sharp drop in job quality outside the capital region, just to name a few.

You may define this as arrogance toward foreigners in general, but that's not it. It's simply that the claims you're making directly contradict what Korean academic associations have established.

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