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U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

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Re: U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

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Just doing random evil things for no benefit? At this point it's just wanton vandalism. Punks in suits smashing windows and setting fire to cars. Can anyone here, hand of heart, say "I agree with this decision"?

They probably think it's "cutting costs" or "reducing waste" or something. At least the fraction of the motive that isn't just corruption.

Re: U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

#103
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Because if they suddenly stop, it will quite likely have devastating repercussions for the entire globe. Weather patterns (which also effects food growing), sea life (more food), and probably some other non-food related things too!

Won’t markets adjust to that though. Market needs will lead to just-in-time innovation! If not, then victims can sue after damages incurred to recover their losses.

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Re: U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

#104
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What really puts all of this into perspective for me is I work in academia and one of my friends works for a defense contractor. He told me the maintenance cost per flight hour of F-35 was a bit more than $40k, which is significantly more than I make in a year as a grad student. It's crazy basic science is what's been the focus of so many cuts while it's so cheap.

How many million graduate students do you need to give the US the military hegemony and political influence over allies and adversaries that the F-35 program provides ? Looked at from a policy maker's viewpoint, things look very different.

If we have military hegemony, then why can't we open the strait of Hormuz?

Re: U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

#105

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Can you think of any economically valuable reason why it might be important to know about weather trends or events in advance? Any at all?

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This comment seems to presuppose that the "evil capitalists" are infallible.

People can be bad at their jobs and/or can act irrationally.

Re: U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

#106

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Can you think of any economically valuable reason why it might be important to know about weather trends or events in advance? Any at all?

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...Unironically in complete agreement.

If the data is economically valuable, mbgerring, then the private market and aligned states/charities should be the ones shouldering the costs.

Re: U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

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That makes no sense whatsoever. Voting for Trump (or anyone with an R by their name) is wrong; sitting out a vote is wrong. Why save all the blame for the side that actually put up resistance, however ineptly?

I don’t think blue team good, red team bad is a very mature take on US politics. When it comes to substantive policy, voters do not get a choice. The same wars will be fought. The same lobbies will have their way. Just because one side will make tactless, self-deifying inaugural speeches about how the sea levels will cease to rise and the Earth will start to heal, that does not make it so.

I think that if these sensors were providing useful, actionable information more valuable than their maintenance cost is not well supported.

Re: U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

#109
post #75

What really puts all of this into perspective for me is I work in academia and one of my friends works for a defense contractor. He told me the maintenance cost per flight hour of F-35 was a bit more than $40k, which is significantly more than I make in a year as a grad student. It's crazy basic science is what's been the focus of so many cuts while it's so cheap.

How many million graduate students do you need to give the US the military hegemony and political influence over allies and adversaries that the F-35 program provides ? Looked at from a policy maker's viewpoint, things look very different.

Except they've traded it all away with idiotic chest thumping. There was a bargain on the table for the US, and we've just chucked it in the trash.

The military isn't some limitless resource, and lead by incompetence, it is useless. There are no policy makers in this administration, they go on vibes and bad ones at that.

Even a guy named mad dog said that diplomacy was cheaper than bullets.

Re: U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

#110
10 years from now:

Climate Activist: The oceans are getting warmer & global currents are threatened by imminent collapse - we must do something!

Big Oil: Prove it!

Climate Activist: Data gathered between 2016 and 2026 shows ...

Big Oil: That's old news! Do you have more recent data?

Climate Activist: Well, no, because Trump2 dismantled the ocean observation system in 2026 ...

Big Oil: So you have no data to back up your claims?

Climate Activist: Not recent data, no, but ...

Big Oil: Case dismissed! Why should anyone take action based on subjective opinion, not backed up by hard data? For all we know the oceans could have miraculously cooled & the currents are fine!

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