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Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

#101
I don't get it.

Just don't use the Gmail interface. Use your own mail reader.

Don't conflate "Gmail the UI" with "Gmail the mail provider".

Having said this - I never used Gmail for anything serious - I had my own domain + mail etc since before Gmail existed, and the reason was I got tired of "free" tools making my life miserable.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

#102
post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you can turn them off as a free gmail user.

Settings -> All Settings -> Smart Features -> Turn on [off] smart features in Gmail, Chat, and Meet... If you disable that feature, all AI everything goes away (including sorting by category). There are some more targeted features you can disabled to disable writing helpers if you want.

Right - I have that turned off. I don't see any of the things the OP is complaining about.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

#103
post #4

I really hope Apple watches what Google and Microsoft are doing with AI, specifically shoving it into their customers' workflow without invitation, and steers far away from that path.

Apple? The company that has built its entire brand and product lines around "we know what's best for you and if you don't like the way we've done it, you're wrong"?

We’ve all grown out of that cliche. Literally every OS is opinionated.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

#104

Related to this, I hate how aggressively Google pushes Gemini and all of the privacy implications involved with that. 1) Lots of features got moved around and there are now many "Write with AI", "Generate image with AI", etc buttons polluting user interfaces even though I don't use them and don't want to use them. 2) Actually, I would use some of these features if I didn't have to do a full opt-in to Smart Features f…

It's like Google Plus buttons and integrations everywhere but with AI.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

#105
> the unsolicited summaries and auto replies are a means of artificially inflating the usage metrics for the language model features

This, I think, is the part that irks me the most. Companies adding token-usage-KPIs for engineering is one thing, but when they have to resort to deliberately tricking users into using their slop-generators.. something has gone very wrong, and they're trying very, very hard to make it seem like it's not so.

My personal pet peeve is Copilot in Teams. Did you know, if you turn off Copilot in Teams at an org level, it disables meeting recording entirely? Ignoring that meeting recording has been a core feature dating way back before Copilot-anything, I can't fantom any possible reason why recording a video of a meeting would require an LLM. Transcription, maybe I could see, but that feature is easily togglable with or without Copilot. But if you want to record a meeting, for whatever reason, you need to have Copilot on.

Shenanigans like this is why user counts for LLM features should always be taken with a grain of salt.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

#106
post #92

Please Google let me buy my email and move it to my own service without any restrictions and I will be thankful. I am now in too deep to move away, from my govt licenses to banks to everything else. Switching away from Gmail isn't possible for me, but I will keep trying, I won't give up but hopefully I would never have to realize how big a mistake this was. I feel like I might end up on the streets if gmail goes away…

It's actually not as hard as it seems. Just set up forwarding from gmail to your new email address, then update your email everywhere at your leisure.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

#107

The key point here is not that they think you’re stupid but that they refuse to let you say no. One of the Google founders (Sergei I think) read the book “nudge” and fell in love with it. What Google product managers fail to realize is that a hard nudge is called a shove. And removing the ability to say no is theft of consent. They continue to do it because it works and there’s nobody left there with enough courage t…

> "nobody left there with enough courage to stop them"

I'd add it's also that there's nobody left to compete with them, either. They own the only desktop browser that matters, and basically the entire concept of the mobile phone itself outside the US (Android), and it seems like 50% or so of the corporate email market, 80% of the consumer email market, a high percentage of the advertising market. I don't think pre-1984 AT&T had half the dominance Google does.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

#108

While I haven't had this issue with Gmail, I recently got a new computer and the first two weeks for full of moments like this. It's shocking to me how much we've let popups go rampant on everything. Perhaps the worst offender is Windows update, as it won't even let you use your own computer without clicking through 10 screens refusing all sorts of products they are trying to push on you.

It’s less surprising with Windows.

Google really was competent in the 2005-2020 era (probably further on the left, that’s just as far as I remember).

I don’t think Microsoft has seriously disappointed anybody paying attention since 2012 or so.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

#109
post #18

> “Tab to improve”. What I’ve written so far isn’t up to Gmail’s standards, it seems. I find this infuriating. I have my own voice, my own writing style, and I deliberately use some "bad" writing tropes for effect. For any non-trivial amount of writing (read: anything with actual paragraphs), I'm liable to spend as much time editing as I am writing out the first draft, to make sure my writing conveys the message I wa…

Somehow MS Word's grammar check does this without being offensive about it.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

#110
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their AI push is what convinced me to leave gmail and go buy my own domain. I don't want it.

what do you use as your client?

I'm not the poster you're replying to, but i did the same thing and use Purelymail (and their web interface, which i think is open-source)

it's a very cheap no-nonsense service, i recommend it

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