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Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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Post by lazyasciiart »

lmm wrote: post #98
ant6n wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was also going to mention wet bulb temperatures as well. As horrible as the conditions described in the article is, it describes a very dry heat. Which means sweating and water can still help. The really scary thing will be when the wet bulb temperature goes above 35 degrees, and humans can only survive with AC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature

> The really scary thing will be when the wet bulb temperature goes above 35 degrees, and humans can only survive with AC. That's already an everyday reality in Singapore.

No it isn't. People spend time outdoors perfectly comfortably in Singapore. https://meteologix.com/sg/observations/wet-bulb-temperature....

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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Post by lmm »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #101
lmm wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The really scary thing will be when the wet bulb temperature goes above 35 degrees, and humans can only survive with AC. That's already an everyday reality in Singapore.

No it isn't. People spend time outdoors perfectly comfortably in Singapore. https://meteologix.com/sg/observations/wet-bulb-temperature....

Depends on the season. "Everyday" was a poor choice of word, but 35+ wet bulb temperatures happen and are to some extent routine and expected.

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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Post by ValentineC »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #101
lmm wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The really scary thing will be when the wet bulb temperature goes above 35 degrees, and humans can only survive with AC. That's already an everyday reality in Singapore.

No it isn't. People spend time outdoors perfectly comfortably in Singapore. https://meteologix.com/sg/observations/wet-bulb-temperature....

I'm sweating as I read this in a non-air-conditioned room.

No, I'm already not comfortable indoors. It's much worse outdoors.

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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Post by itissid »

I wonder if the government might consider reversing the circadian cycle and tell people to work in the night and sleep in the day. At this point its better because IIUC many animal's reproductive system shuts down at such high temperatures.

And I would not discount this govt considering it given that far less rational, crazier, things have happened in the past like for instance randomly cancelling high denomination cash notes.

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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Post by 0x1ceb00da »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #54
childofhedgehog wrote: post #5

We know that cutting down trees increases heat and intensifies drought but we continue to do it, how bad do things need to get before we reverse course?

"We"? I haven't even been to India let alone cut down trees there.

Part of the reason USA is clean is because it has exported factories to asia. The US did clean up a lot through regulation too, so it’s not just outsourcing, but global supply chains definitely move some of the environmental cost around. Not pointing any fingers and the asian countries did accept those industries of their own free will because there's money in it but it isn't as simple as you say it is. Earth is a giant room. Other countries don't exist in a different universe. Same thing is happening with data centres now. They're being criticised in the USA because of environmental concerns but india is welcoming them. It's the cost of being poor. You gotta choose between two bad options and pick the one that is less bad.

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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Post by ant6n »

lmm wrote: post #102
lazyasciiart wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it isn't. People spend time outdoors perfectly comfortably in Singapore. https://meteologix.com/sg/observations/wet-bulb-temperature....

Depends on the season. "Everyday" was a poor choice of word, but 35+ wet bulb temperatures happen and are to some extent routine and expected.

Singapore is not mentioned in the wiki article on wet bulb temperature.

And given that the maximum ever temperature in Singapore is 35-36 for most months, I doubt that a wet bulb temperature of 35+ is common.

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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Post by dwd »

l1ng0 wrote: post #94
dwd wrote: post #75

What I find bizarre is the word "siesta" doesn't appear in this article. People have been working around the hot summer hours in Southern Europe for centuries. Until recent times it was part of the culture.

It's part of the culture where I live, but the heat keeps increasing. 45 in dry heat (unless you work outside) is fine if you get cooler nights to recover, but when you don't get a break, it's lethal. Also aircon helps you but adds significantly to the heat outside in urban areas, causing what feels like a vicious circle. Anyway, where I live aircon is not common and electricity costs are high.

As a child traveling around northern Spain and rural southern France we got caught out and had to stop and wait for a service station to reopen so we could buy petrol. All part of the experience.

I've lived in a few places that would get consecutive 40C+ days. Perfectly fine unless the wind is a strong northerly blowing from the interior. The 37C in Brisbane this year was much less bearable due to the higher humidity: 75% rather than 45%.

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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Post by jdkoeck »

jyounker wrote: post #2

"But global warming is a hoax. And even if it wasn't it's not our fault. People couldn't be the cause. And even if it is our fault there's nothing we could do about it." We have broken our world for the greed of a few. History will not be kind to us.

Does the « greed of the few » include the masses who use air travel across the world, who use cars, who rely on energy infrastructure? I guess the answer is somehow no, because this is populist drivel of the worst kind. Did not expect that here.

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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Post by _carbyau_ »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #49
dheera wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The biggest hope at this point honestly is that fewer people are having kids and we're on track to halve the world population in another couple generations. Greenhouse emissions cut by half.

The per capita emissions of USA/Canada/Gulf countries have to be cut by a factor of 8-10 to reach sustainable levels. The per capita emissions of EU/China/SEA have to cut by 4 to reach sustainable levels. All within the next 25 years if we want to avoid crossing tipping points. Halving the population in 50 years is not a realistic plan.

> Halving the population in 50 years is not a realistic plan.

Here are some projections to support that statement. Supposedly 2084 is peak population.

https://population.gov.au/sites/population.gov.au/files/2025...

I haven't read up on all the assumptions made for those projections. If something unassumed pops up that makes things substantially worse then the population peak would come earlier I guess. But that's a gamble.

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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Post by bamboozled »

ralph84 wrote: post #62
jyounker wrote: post #2

"But global warming is a hoax. And even if it wasn't it's not our fault. People couldn't be the cause. And even if it is our fault there's nothing we could do about it." We have broken our world for the greed of a few. History will not be kind to us.

Humanity is a blip in Earth's history. We'll be a historical curiosity to whatever comes next just like the dinosaurs are to us.

I think people just say this to make themselves feel better about the dire situation we're in. Whatever works, but it's not quite true in my opinion. The dinosaurs weren't just a "blip" to us.
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