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Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks

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This isn’t really true. FL population has exploded so much with high earners that they’re talking about getting rid of property taxes, and Miami is like #2 behind Houston in terms of tech jobs growth.

> Miami is like #2 behind Houston in terms of tech jobs growth Source? (Not doubting. But I’m finding conflicting figures.)

I was going off of a summary of an outdated report. If I can find a better one I'll post it.

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As an aside, it is very clear in reports like this one[0] how tech job growth nationwide has stagnated. Incredible.

[0]: https://www.comptia.org/en-us/resources/research/state-of-th...

Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks

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There are already published examples where there was very specific info and guidance provided.

Beyond the info and guidance, there's also the classic sycophantic encouragement. Humans are allowed to publish the Anarchist's Cookbook, but they tend to get into trouble when it becomes "based on your manifesto, I would suggest the following targets". Of course, AI isn't human, and treating a software program like a human probably isn't good law, but OpenAI are very keen to suggest it's legally equivalent to a huma…

> OpenAI are very keen to suggest it's legally equivalent to a human when it suits them

When is/was that?

(Not rhetorical)

Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks

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Ah, yes, from the state that brought us this official website: https://stopchemtrails.com/

Chemtrails aren't proven but weather engineering is: https://wmo.int/content/wmo-statement-weather-modification The chemtrails conspiracy is just used to dismiss valid concerns about weather modification

Chemical weather creation, known scientifically as cloud seeding, uses substances like silver iodide (\(AgI\)), dry ice (solid carbon dioxide). This is the worst conspiracy there is a conspiracy ever. Just google it. Just ask people that dumped it from a plane. The people saying the gov. controls the weather were right, proved tons of times. Just toss up silver iodide, wtf is this hard to conceive?

Florida doesn't lie? wtf?

Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks

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Claims in the lawsuit seem sketchy, and I don't think they will win. It is probably not true that ChatGPT has resulted in an increase in murders and suicides, and certainly it would be very difficult to prove liability on OpenAI for this. It reminds me of the campaign in the 90s against video game manufacturers for "corrupting the youth". But I also don't think they expect to win. They just want to show that they're…

At the end of the article, the main guy says he wants tech companies to report your conversations to the authorities if bad content is detected. That’s their goal, apparently

Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks

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> or parents should parent their kids Parents are voters. One of the way they parent is by being civically active in their kids’ interest.

Parents should: Throw away their TVs and minimize screen time at home[1]. Be responsible for the upbringing of their own children[2]. Learn how to be parents; the government shouldn't force companies to do parenting instead[3]. Not have had children in the first place[4]. Be the ones responsible for parenting their own children[5]. Actually parent their kids and not rely on the government to nanny them[6]. Get to dec…

Bonus: And we should recognize that kids have responsibilities too. If they do something bad, it's silly trying to throw the blame on whatever the current moral panic is. Video games, D&D, rock/rap music, AI (!), etc.

Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks

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Depends if they have a judge in mind to tip the scales

There's definitely one judge in FL that seems to like the current administration

This one is tricky, because FL/DeSantis is running against Trump on this position. Trump is the biggest booster of data center build-outs and AI supremacy. A Trump-friendly judge might hurt the odds of this lawsuit succeeding.

Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks

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Not really anymore. The house seats are 20R and 8D, they haven't voted blue for president since Obama, and haven't elected a democrat as governor since the 90s. Voter registration is also heavily skewed republican.

To be fair, "since Obama" isn't very long ago, and Hillary and Biden weren't very inspiring candidates, to say the least.

It was 18 years ago, and I did point out other metrics to support my case.

Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks

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So someone could go and teach a class on how to build pipe bombs, refine ricin, shake-and-bake meth, 3D print guns, and all sorts of other things like that, and when the ATF looked into it, they’d just be like “well technically this is all out there on the Internet, in library books, etc. Guess it’s ok!” The law doesn’t work like that.

There should be some SCOTUS case where this limitation on the First Amendment is defined if the law doesn't work like that. I mean, back when Constitutional law meant anything to the government, of course. Nowadays who knows.

> limitation on the First Amendment

This suit has nothing to do with free speech and the F1A provides no relevant protection here. This prosecution is under consumer protection law. Broadly, the cause of action is "you negligently sold a defective product which you knew (or should have known) actually causes harm or is likely to cause harm." Proving negligence (willful or otherwise) depends significantly on things like the sales and usage context as well as claimed features of the product along with disclaimers, disclosures, existing practice, prior knowledge of actual harm, etc.

That the product or service in question included supplying information that was publicly available elsewhere wouldn't be an effective defense against claims of willful negligence or reckless endangerment. For example, rat poison is sold in in certain retailers in packaging with copious warnings and successful prosecutions under product liability or consumer protection law are rare. But if another company sold rat poison in bright pink boxes with a cute cartoon mascot and no warnings in toy stores - and then kept selling it after they knew three children had bought it and died - the fact the same chemical compound is also commonly sold in hardware stores wouldn't be relevant.

To win a judgement, the AG will need to prove that ChatGPT was clearly a dangerous product and OAI acted negligently in supplying it to customers it knew (or should have known) were vulnerable. This will be quite a stretch under existing law. I suspect the AG has no intention of taking this case to trial and, shortly after the November elections, will settle for a lump sum fine paid to the state treasury and a vaguely worded consent decree which mirrors internal policies and product changes OAI has already adopted to minimize liability.

Re: Florida sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over AI risks

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This take seems particularly crackpot. If gun manufacturers can't be sued for product liability when used to fire bullets into people, it's rich to say that the manufacturer of a chatbot can be found liable when it mindlessly says "Good point" to people who already have serious mental health problems. If so, would this program also open me up to liability in Florida? const platitudes = ['Good point!', 'You're absolut…

It is a little crazy that Florida's politicians want to lay blame for school shootings, which have happened regularly in Florida since long before AI was a thing, although a large number of incidents are not fatal or mass shooting events. Probably the only response stupider than "Nothing could have prevented this" is "Random thing, other than the mental state of the murderer and the access to firearms, caused this."

See also, video games, dungeons and dragons, etc.
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