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Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by lbrito »

petcat wrote: post #21
moltar wrote: post #5

Now the interesting question to me is why is that a country with a tenth of population can have car, truck and military plane manufacturing yet Canada can’t, even with virtually all resources for inputs, including energy can’t.

Canada has many issues. First and foremost, their entire economy is basically 3 mineral extraction industries stacked on top of each other in a trench coat. They are also (unfortunate?) to share a border with USA and be party to NAFTA. This makes it trivial for educated, professional Canadians to work in the US on a TN visa indefinitely. We know that the doctor and nurse brain-drain from Canada to the US has been ong…

>We know that the doctor and nurse brain-drain from Canada to the US has been ongoing for decades.

Its actually the opposite: it had been going on for some time, but has reversed for decades, and in recent years Canada has had _increasing gains_ of medical professionals from the US.

>The Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) reports annually on the number of physicians moving abroad and returning to active practice in Canada (CIHI 1996–2005). In the early to mid-1990s, net losses averaged 400 per year. More recently, the number of physicians leaving Canada has decreased significantly, resulting in net gains of between 30 to 60 per year. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2645159/#:~:text=Th...

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by lfuller »

AlexandrB wrote: post #82
toasty228 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the first stage of grief, four to go

My only source of grief as a Canadian is the dismal state[1] of my country and the bleak prognosis for the future[2]. The whole "elbows up" thing is a convenient sideshow to take attention away from our domestic problems. [1] https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2026/05/apple-on-bill-c-22-this-... [2] https://www.bcbc.com/insight/oecd-predicts-canada-will-be-th...

While I completely agree with you on [1] and it's tiring to have to re-litigate this issue every few years, [2] was from 2021 and doesn't reflect Canada's current policies.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by throwaway85825 »

e40 wrote: post #97

Over the last few months we've seen announcements of shifts from US-based supply chains to non-US-supply chains. As an American, I think this is prudent, based on what has happened in the last year and change. The US is no longer a reliable partner and this is what you do when that happens. 100 years from now, the last 15 months will be written about in no uncertain terms: this administration has loaded many footguns…

Look around you. What products do you own with a US supply chain and what has a Chinese supply chain.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by rozab »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #23
xattt wrote: post #3

It helps that the base plane is built in Canada, and that the PM made commitments to the Swedish king in November 2025.

Worth noting that the base plane for one of the US-based contenders, the Aeris X by L3Harris, would also be the same Bombardier Global 6500 business jet.

That one has the disadvantage of not yet existing, although South Korea has ordered

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by jleyank »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #79
rubayeet wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is false. Alberta is NOT the economic engine of Canada, that’s a huge misconception of a group of Canadians (mostly Albertans) [0] [0] https://youtu.be/5lSJpqA8RU4?si=fxwKpUFFKO7gK63E

You're right but you should cite something other than the CBC, since it will just be immediately dismissed by the biased as biased. Alberta is very important economically. I'm from there. Ontario (I live there) and Quebec and BC are also massively important. And fanning the flames of disinformation and playing grievance politics to make Albertans feel discriminated against has become an extremely serious problem. Wab…

I would think Ontario is the centre of Canada as it has the most people and the financial centre. Google's AI says 38% of GDP. And the problem Alberta faces is who wants to separate, what do they want to do afterwards and what ground do they actually own (vs. treaties that predate Alberta).

When Alberta at least catches up to Quebec in practicing being independent (runs its own police, collects its own taxes, has its own pension system, maintains foreign services, ... They might decide the extra taxes to pay for such is less "fun". And they need a border to ship stuff through.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by llm_nerd »

petcat wrote: post #49
llm_nerd wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know what an admission is? A Windsor nurse working in Detroit would count as 300+ admissions over a year. That does not remotely show what you think it does.

Ah, okay. So the problem is not that bad. It's way overblown! Meanwhile, the US continues to siphon off every Waterloo and U Toronto STEM grad to the US and American companies.

>So the problem is not that bad. It's way overblown!

You were a magnitude off. And after your stealth edit to be admissions, you still ascribe it all to Canada. Did you know that 56% of TN visa holders are Mexican?

Something like 0.2% of Canada's working-age population holds a TN visa. It's actually kind of hilarious to compare this to your ridiculous take on this.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by dessimus »

petcat wrote: post #59
mikeyouse wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Canada only has to patrol its northern border. At what point on this current trajectory in the US would that change... mostly facetiously, but not entirely..

Canada would only have to patrol its southern Alberta border /s No coincidence that Albertans are sparking up the seceding issue again. When 10% of the population produces nearly 20% of the country's GDP it's a breeding ground for contempt. And it also seems like Albertans are the butt of a lot of jokes from the other Canadians anyway. I'm sure this US government would love to see an "independent" Alberta.

So then by your arguments above, you're good with California leaving since they'd be a G6 nation on their own?

Because as you would might say: I'm sure this Canadian government would love to see an "independent" California.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by _verandaguy »

jsLavaGoat wrote: post #58
danesparza wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"We call this confirmation bias". I'm genuinely curious to know what you think the author's pre-existing beliefs are. You seem to have a few of your own: "Canada only has to patrol its northern border"

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Historically, it isn't Canada that's been threatening to leave NATO.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by e40 »

throwaway85825 wrote: post #103
e40 wrote: post #97

Over the last few months we've seen announcements of shifts from US-based supply chains to non-US-supply chains. As an American, I think this is prudent, based on what has happened in the last year and change. The US is no longer a reliable partner and this is what you do when that happens. 100 years from now, the last 15 months will be written about in no uncertain terms: this administration has loaded many footguns…

Look around you. What products do you own with a US supply chain and what has a Chinese supply chain.

Supply chains are not just components, but things like military planes. See referenced article.
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