For me, Pi6 shall focus on NPU to run edge models instead of getting into minipc space, e.g. 10TOPS built-in, that will be slightly better than Rockchip 3588 which was produced 4 years back at 6TOPS, and way more powerful than NXP's 2TOPS. 10TOPS is the sweet spot for edge AI as far as I can tell.
News about Raspberry Pi 6 and Microcontroller Development
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#102My opinion is that Raspberry Pi has to release an NPU, and start/revolutionise the open source NPU communities and tech. Raspberry Pi's has to find itself useful in vision AI applications (extremely common in industries these days). Without it I think Arduino with its new Qualcomm boards will kill it.
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#103> " ...: It sounds like the key feature will be 'more': a faster CPU and faster IO, rather than new features. " Raspberry Pi Holdings is a embedded systems manufacturer for pity's sake; we don't need more from them, we need less. [EDIT] A faster Raspberry Pi 6 is encroaching on the territory of the Intel N150 and its successors and mainstream Linux distributions and that is a battle they would lose in terms of price…
I wonder how they are positioned now in the market. During covid I wanted a small low power always on server. I thought about Raspi, but at the time it was expensive and I went with an intel nuc, for a similar price. Now if I wanted to do hobby electronics, I heard I should look into esp32 or stm32..
Well... "hobby electronics" is extraordinarily broad :)
It depends massively on what kind of DX you want. If you want to work with a 'regular' operating system, you're looking more in the RPi direction.
If you want to write straight-up C firmware, then yeah, the esp and stms are both great.
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#104Pi's refusal to drop a USB-C on Pico due to cost increases is a terrible call IMO. I seriously cannot fathom being someone doing development who wouldn't pay $0.50 extra to purge the last micro USB from their desktop.
I cannot fathom why USB-C would make any difference. It's not like USB-C is intrinsically better for this use case? If you're doing hardware development, your desk is likely full of in-development crap anyway and a micro USB cable more or less won't make any difference whatsoever, nor is the Pico likely to the only thing needing a micro USB cable. Edit: one thing I can think of where micro USB connectors are better:…
> If you're doing hardware development, your desk is likely full of in-development crap anyway
Sure when you're at home, if you have a stable home. It's one more cable to bring if you don't, or if you ever travel and stay in a hotel.
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#105Pi's refusal to drop a USB-C on Pico due to cost increases is a terrible call IMO. I seriously cannot fathom being someone doing development who wouldn't pay $0.50 extra to purge the last micro USB from their desktop.
For what it's worth there are third-party rp2350 boards with USB-C connectors if that's important to you. Heck, WaveShare has one with two USB-C connectors: https://www.waveshare.com/rp2350-usb-c.htm
I was just needing exactly something that for my project, thank you!
This way, I can have my laptop running codex control over a target laptop, by pretending to be a keyboard.
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^^^ when I tell people tangential to the field that the latest pi needs considerations of cooling solutions and a beefy power supply (no more just any old micro usb cable into any old usb port), they're astonished. It was a "microcontroller" you could program in Python with a friendly Linux environment and is now an expensive, power hungry, hot computer with a microcontroller hanging off of it
I agree that Raspberry Pi is not a good general purpose computer, but some of these criticisms are starting to feel like a pile-on with partially incorrect information. > the latest pi needs considerations of cooling solutions FYI you can run the Raspberry Pi 5 without a fan or even a heatsink. It will safely throttle itself if it gets too hot. If you're trying to get maximum performance out of it all the time, you w…
> Powering something off of any old USB port means it would have to fit within the 5V 500mA basic specification, which the Raspberry Pi 3 exceeded long ago.
In practice most USB wall warts will happily provide 2 amps or even more with no overcurrent protection at all. The 500 mA limitation, at least outside of ports on computers (where you'll maybe get a prompt on Windows and macOS), is theoretical.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
For what it's worth there are third-party rp2350 boards with USB-C connectors if that's important to you. Heck, WaveShare has one with two USB-C connectors: https://www.waveshare.com/rp2350-usb-c.htm
I am aware, thanks. I do think that you're missing my point, which is that we're significantly past the point in this wretched timeline where they should offer a USB-C version of the reference board for this MCU.
They probably just bought a shit ton of micro USB connectors back in the day and want to use them up, or something silly like that. It would be funny if the EU forced them to switch to USB-C.
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I'm a jerk because I've bought them and tried to find a use case for them, but found they weren't as good as other solutions? You have issues.
Perhaps I was a shade too facetious. But honestly, you thought the Pi 3+ was so significantly different from the 3 that you imagined it might finally make your use case worth it?
I used a Pi 4 as a home server for literal years. For a lot of light work, the Pi works great, consumes very little power, and (before the 5) required no active cooling. I understand that if you're running machine learning pipelines at home, you might want a mini PC. But it feels like most developers severely overestimate how much CPU power you need to run most services.
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There are broadly available third party RP2350 boards with subc and a variety of additional capabilities if that is important for you. https://shop.pimoroni.com/en-us/collections/rp2350 https://www.sparkfun.com/sparkfun-pro-micro-rp2350.html https://www.dfrobot.com/product-2913.html https://www.seeedstudio.com/Seeed-XIAO-RP2350-p-5944.html
Not the point, though I appreciate folks listing links in an attempt to help. What I am saying is that we're well into 2026 and there's no good reason for RPi not to offer a USB-C version of the reference board for this MCU.
While we're at it, their reference board also doesn't have a reset button, it just has one for boot. It's perhaps one of the most inconvenient official dev boards I've ever used in modern times.