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Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by hallway_monitor »

BobbyJo wrote: post #89
goldenarm wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using unlicensed intellectual property to build a plagiarism machine that is wrong 10% of the time, could be interpreted as a scam by many folks.

Is there anyway to build intelligence that doesn't meet the definition of plagiarism you are using here? I remember when IP laws were looked at like a form of oppression in the tech community...

Yes, it is called paying for the use of copyrighted material which people put a lot of time and money into creating. Is this not obvious?

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by lokar »

zozbot234 wrote: post #60
lokar wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the substance of the appeal? IANAL, but AIUI, it's pretty hard to appeal a finding of fact from a jury.

The substantive point of law will most likely be that OpenAI's salami slicing tactic for becoming a for-profit does not properly fall under the statute of limitations. To think otherwise is basically no different than arguing that you can rob a person twice and not be prosecuted for the second robbery because of "double jeopardy".

So, the illegal activity continued, so the clock did not start?

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by grey-area »

vardalab wrote: post #93
ekianjo wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> nowhere near AGI, and LLMs are not going to lead to it either. Nevermind what they can do was pure science fiction just 3 years ago?

Exactly. Here I am sitting talking to my freaking computer, arguing with it, whatnot. And people just dismiss it as if it's not a science fiction. We were not there two, three years ago. Now we are. It's amazing and scary, scary mostly because the society that we operate in. I bet it's less scary in Norway or elsewhere where govt is more biased towards people not corps.

They are good at fooling people.

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by jmull »

standardUser wrote: post #36
jgalt212 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a certain level it is a scam. AI slop, vibe coding, tokenmaxxing, blaming employee layoffs on AI, pretty much any comment CEOs make about AI, etc.

Jargon isn't a scam. I get more and better work done with AI, to my own satisfaction and to the benefit of my employer. People using dumb terms to describe this doesn't make it less true.

We're in a "both are true" situation here.

AI has real benefits, that are game-changing in some areas, even if AI never improve from their current capabilities.

People are claiming (whether they truly believe it or not) that AI has incredible capabilities and benefits that they don't currently have, and may never have.

There's plenty of scamming going on. The fact that AI has real game-changing capabilities just makes the scams harder to detect. People tend to like to see things as more black-and-white than they actually are, and scammers take advantage of that.

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by Rekindle8090 »

goldenarm wrote: post #53
pj_mukh wrote: post #19

This is a weird fantasy among the literati that AI is a "scam", that we can "expose" them with lots of palace intrigue coverage and SBF or Elizabeth Holmes them away and then everything will be right in the world. Some of the best models are Chinese and Open-source and so-so good and Sam Altman is wholly irrelevant to them. Some folks are in for a very rude awakening.

Using unlicensed intellectual property to build a plagiarism machine that is wrong 10% of the time, could be interpreted as a scam by many folks.

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Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by adrian_b »

hsuduebc2 wrote: post #72
pdonis wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I have a great deal of sympathy for this point of view, I think the article makes an interesting observation that suggests it actually doesn't matter whether these people are intentionally trying to screw everybody or not--the actual problem is much bigger even than that: To claim that OpenAI’s mission of cultivating beneficial A.I. was compromised by Sam Altman is to let the entire industry off the hook. Yes,…

It’s ridiculous to accuse someone of having a “somewhat loose relationship with the truth” when Elon Musk is sitting right across from him, accusing him of dishonest behavior.

It is an extremely common thing to see 2 liars accusing each other of lying, thus telling the truth in this special occasion.

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

#108

Post by fumar »

alfiedotwtf wrote: post #92
ryandrake wrote: post #20

"When elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers." There's really nobody for normal people to root for in this battle. They're fighting over who gets to wield the dick that is going to screw us all.

Oddly enough, the normal people you’re forgetting, who I think not only will win but already have won, are the Chinese.

How so?

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by adrian_b »

alsetmusic wrote: post #35
ryandrake wrote: post #20

"When elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers." There's really nobody for normal people to root for in this battle. They're fighting over who gets to wield the dick that is going to screw us all.

> There's really nobody for normal people to root for in this battle. I believe the reports that Sam Altman is an egomaniacal liar. But I haven't been privy to any of it other than seeing him hype his company's tech in a clearly dishonest manner. That's not great. I've seen Elon be an active piece of shit, white nationalist, conspiracy promoter, etc, for years. I don't root for Sam Altman. I root against Elon. In a d…

Not being an US citizen, I have not been affected by any action of Elon Musk, even if I despise many of the things done by him in USA, like the results of DOGE.

On the other hand, I have much more reasons to hate Sam Altman, who has stolen a significant amount of money from my own pocket and from a very great number of other people around the world, by causing the huge increases in the prices of DRAM, SSDs and HDDs.

Moreover, Elon Musk has some positive achievements, even if it is hard to put them in balance with his bad actions, while I see absolutely nothing good done by Sam Altman. Successfully luring fools to invest hundreds of billions in AI does not count as something good.

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by salawat »

BobbyJo wrote: post #89
goldenarm wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using unlicensed intellectual property to build a plagiarism machine that is wrong 10% of the time, could be interpreted as a scam by many folks.

Is there anyway to build intelligence that doesn't meet the definition of plagiarism you are using here? I remember when IP laws were looked at like a form of oppression in the tech community...

It still is oppression. What many of us object to now is how starkly it's revealed the 2 tier illegitimate judicial system that on the one hand ruins grandmas and teenagers, but gives multinationals a free pass for charging everyone to get access to the human corpora. Anna's Archive, while equally illegal in a sense, but at least operates itself in a way compatible with uplifting everyone is getting more backlash than these tech companies that are dead set on "renting out access to intelligence". At this point, if you can't see the absurdity of the System as it functions past the "bing bing wahooness" of AI, I don't know what to tell ya.
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