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Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by pibaker »

Curosinono wrote: post #38
M4v3R wrote: post #21

This kind of behavior should be met with swift and strong reaction from both the school authorities and the law enforcement. Kids responsible should be put on trial and face serious consequences including jail time for most egregious cases. Let the news cover it nationwide. "This is what will happen if you even think about creating and circulating nude pics of anyone" should be the message sent. This is the only way…

I do agree that shit behavour should be met with direct reaction but lets be honest here the time and effort of doing this is 5 minutes. A proper society should educate people about things they can't get rid of anymore. And no you can't just put teenager, which have not fully formed brains yet, into prison for fake nudity

There are a lot more things we punish people for that take less than 5 minutes.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by sirsinsalot »

Sharlin wrote: post #87
sirsinsalot wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is another example of treating normal behaviour as criminal. Like banning VPNs or age verification. How about we undo the radical individualism that has rotted out any compassion and empathy from society in the pursuit of greed? Not as easy to do granted, but it's a social technical debt that can't be quick fixed.

I'm not sure how deepfakes are an example of "compassion and empathy rotted out from society in the pursuit of greed". They're just your standard issue human condition, if it's possible to grief a person then there's always someone willing to do just that. Doesn't mean we have to suffer that.

In a compassionate society with community mindedness people are less likely to use tools like this for mindless hurt. Our current culture isnt aligned with compassion due to individualism and greed.

You sound like you've given up on nurturing humanity and instead want to enforce good behaviour as if the base human condition is to hurt others by default.

These are often young boys behaving in ways that are misogynistic and heartless. Usually following the examples of heartless parents and peers. We can do better. They're kids learning the wrongs lessons about the world.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by sirsinsalot »

b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #73
sirsinsalot wrote: post #43

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It took some skill and time before to make anything passable as realistic. Enough skill and time to defeat a teenagers motivation. That's the difference. "make the person in this photo naked. No mistakes" Prompts lowered the bar. Even if you do have to install a local text to image model.

very soon no one will takes these things seriously, And That's A Good Thing. there are, for example, websites that host (among a myriad other such things) style-accurate pictures of every Disney princess being fucked in every way imaginable. 70 years ago something like this might have caused a similar moral panic, but now no one (rightfully) gives a shit. you see a picture of Cinderella with a dick up her ass, you kn…

A fictional character isn't a real teenage girl who feels her life is falling apart because idiots make fake nudes of her to giggle at.

Theyre not the same thing and you can't just hand wave away people's pain. You're part of the problem.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

#104

Post by ChoGGi »

bondarchuk wrote: post #82
numbsafari wrote: post #63

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“Just pixels on a screen” What is wrong with you?

Isn't it true? You are reacting to me with a fervor that lends its intensity from the moral values around actual physical sex with actual minors, but nothing of that kind occured here.

To you, it might be pixels on a screen, to someone else it's their life and dignity.

It wouldn't be the first time a high-schooler killed themself over bullying.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by ChoGGi »

samlinnfer wrote: post #46
M4v3R wrote: post #21

This kind of behavior should be met with swift and strong reaction from both the school authorities and the law enforcement. Kids responsible should be put on trial and face serious consequences including jail time for most egregious cases. Let the news cover it nationwide. "This is what will happen if you even think about creating and circulating nude pics of anyone" should be the message sent. This is the only way…

It used to be that if you wanted to see people naked you’d just use your imagination. If you really wanted you’d draw or use photoshop, but both actually required skill. AI made it too easy. Teenagers wanting to see each other naked is normal and part of the human experience. I don’t agree with the nanny state approach. America is already too obsessed with violence being ok and any kind of sex/nudity being completely…

To me the nudity isn't an issue, it's the bullying. Then again I'm not American.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

#106

Post by ChoGGi »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #94
samlinnfer wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It used to be that if you wanted to see people naked you’d just use your imagination. If you really wanted you’d draw or use photoshop, but both actually required skill. AI made it too easy. Teenagers wanting to see each other naked is normal and part of the human experience. I don’t agree with the nanny state approach. America is already too obsessed with violence being ok and any kind of sex/nudity being completely…

I wonder if this kind of problem happens a lot less in societies that treat public nudity as normal (e.g. nude saunas, topless beaches in European/Scandinavian countries).

If you think European kids aren't making deep fakes of other kids...

Surprise.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by ChoGGi »

noufalibrahim wrote: post #79
prodigycorp wrote: post #28

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Perhaps there is reason to be optimistic. If we believe nothing online, then digital inauthenticity may cause us to yearn more for authentic, in-person interactions. The modern web has not been without its warts. It's led society to some very unhealthy behaviors. It's telling that a lot of people think the internet is society, rather than a slice of it. Perhaps its decline is the correction society needed. It's easy…

I think there are generational aspects to this. The older generation (gen-x) and before has been trained to believe traditional media (and by extension, anything that is published on a "website" and/or forwarded on Whatsapp). Images, pictures etc. add to the authenticity. Of course, it's easier to forward than to investigate and refute. The younger generation is less influenced by this but also care less about genera…

> I don't know what the solution is but this kind of thing erodes trust. Photographs used to be evidence that can be used to establish trust and we've been culturally conditioned to accept them that way

I'm just waiting (with some dread) for the day that you can sync up multiple cameras with AI to fake from different angles.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

#108

Post by GeoAtreides »

samlinnfer wrote: post #46
M4v3R wrote: post #21

This kind of behavior should be met with swift and strong reaction from both the school authorities and the law enforcement. Kids responsible should be put on trial and face serious consequences including jail time for most egregious cases. Let the news cover it nationwide. "This is what will happen if you even think about creating and circulating nude pics of anyone" should be the message sent. This is the only way…

It used to be that if you wanted to see people naked you’d just use your imagination. If you really wanted you’d draw or use photoshop, but both actually required skill. AI made it too easy. Teenagers wanting to see each other naked is normal and part of the human experience. I don’t agree with the nanny state approach. America is already too obsessed with violence being ok and any kind of sex/nudity being completely…

let me parse what you're saying: you're saying there are no issues with male teenagers generating deepfakes of their female friends. You're saying that's is " normal and part of the human experience."

Am I getting this wrong?

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

#109

Post by noosphr »

ChoGGi wrote: post #104
bondarchuk wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it true? You are reacting to me with a fervor that lends its intensity from the moral values around actual physical sex with actual minors, but nothing of that kind occured here.

To you, it might be pixels on a screen, to someone else it's their life and dignity. It wouldn't be the first time a high-schooler killed themself over bullying.

And to a good Stalinist it was the dignity of the USSR.

Something millions died to protect in the great patriotic war.

Again, symbolic violence is worse than real violence to a lot of people.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

#110

Post by b65e8bee43c2ed0 »

sirsinsalot wrote: post #103
b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

very soon no one will takes these things seriously, And That's A Good Thing. there are, for example, websites that host (among a myriad other such things) style-accurate pictures of every Disney princess being fucked in every way imaginable. 70 years ago something like this might have caused a similar moral panic, but now no one (rightfully) gives a shit. you see a picture of Cinderella with a dick up her ass, you kn…

A fictional character isn't a real teenage girl who feels her life is falling apart because idiots make fake nudes of her to giggle at. Theyre not the same thing and you can't just hand wave away people's pain. You're part of the problem.

cool.
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