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560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

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Re: 560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

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Does lifting weights count as vigorous though? Or strictly cardio? Because if you need to fit 560 minutes of cardio and then also fit weight lifting 3 times a week that's a lot of time working out

In my experience lifting weights helps you grow enough muscle to actually be able to do 600 minutes of cardio. With small/insufficient muscle size, you simply run out of stored glycogen before you get tired cardiovascularly. > Because if you need to fit 560 minutes of cardio and then also fit weight lifting 3 times a week that's a lot of time working out Proper exercise is absolutely a lifestyle change and a big comm…

>With small/insufficient muscle size, you simply run out of stored glycogen before you get tired cardiovascularly.

You can eat carbs during cardio ("fueling") though it's unlikely an issue doing 600 mins a week. Muscles store 15g of glycogen per 1kg (more for trained athletes) , which amounts to 60 (k)calories. In aerobic process with COP ~ 25% these nicely convert to output energy of 60 kJ. To produce this much output over 90 minutes you need to push power of ~11 watt. Elite athletes have FTP (functional threshold power) around 6 w/kg. It's over the entire body mass, not just muscle, but even if you are pushing 50% body fat, you can be pretty confident you have enough glycogen for 90 min of aerobic exercise at your FTP (also liver holds/can produce on demand quite a lot of glycogen and aerobic process will use fat for energy as well). Even if you do 200 minutes 3 times a week instead of doing 90 minutes every day you can get by staying in under 3 w/kg power zone, which is still greater than most people's FTP (and even fewer people can hold this power over 3 hours).

Re: 560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

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It's lower than it sounds: this time includes even relatively gentle exercise (a brisk walk) and although it's not explicit here most other uses of similar metrics I've seen generally count hard cardio minutes as 2x, e.g. the NHS guidelines ( https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/exercise/physical-activity-guid... ) this references are 150 mins moderate exercise or 75 mins vigorous.

Does lifting weights count as vigorous though? Or strictly cardio? Because if you need to fit 560 minutes of cardio and then also fit weight lifting 3 times a week that's a lot of time working out

> Because if you need to fit 560 minutes of cardio and then also fit weight lifting 3 times a week that's a lot of time working out

... I mean that seems kinda orthogonal. No-one's requiring you to do weight training three times a week.

(But no, it presumably wouldn't count)

Re: 560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

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How wealthy are those who have time to spend 10 hours on exercise?

I mean I get you are trying to imply this is some type of luxury but I've been exercising almost daily my entire life from when I was an unemployed teenager to now at 40yo making a respectable living. It has absolutely nothing to do with wealth. Hell during a rough spot in my life I was homeless for a week and was still working out daily. For me it's literally my anti-depressant. What it honestly comes down to is peo…

Using yourself as sole data point is rather useless.

Time is a limiting factor and wealth often means more leasure time

https://www.fittechglobal.com/fit-tech-features/Research-Wea...

Re: 560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

#105

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Does lifting weights count as vigorous though? Or strictly cardio? Because if you need to fit 560 minutes of cardio and then also fit weight lifting 3 times a week that's a lot of time working out

> Because if you need to fit 560 minutes of cardio and then also fit weight lifting 3 times a week that's a lot of time working out ... I mean that seems kinda orthogonal. No-one's requiring you to do weight training three times a week. (But no, it presumably wouldn't count)

No of course, but to keep bone density up as you age, weight lifting is your best bet, while 560 minutes of cardio is your best bet for the heart it seems

Re: 560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

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Moderate is not vigorous. They mean being active and walking, etc.

The imprecise language in these studies often means people can interpret them in whatever way they want. This study defines moderate as "brisk" walking, suggesting that it's not just walking. Athletes live in their own bubble where "vigorous" means "maximal".

I skimmed the study rather than the article about it and I don't see them define it at all. They just had a machine learning model take accelerometer data and classified it into "sleep, sedentary behaviour, light physical activity and MVPA". Whether any form of walking counts as light or moderate in this classification is really anyone's guess

Re: 560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

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"exercise doesn't mean planned / scheduled exercise, like going to the gym." Most of the people I see in the gym are sitting on the benches on their phone 9 minutes out of 10. I'm pretty sure going to the gym is not helping at all...

If you're doing heavy compound exercises like 3x5, 5x3 squats, you kind of need to wait three minutes in between! Even adding something in between like press or pullups is quite hard on the nervous system. The people who walk 45m on the treadmill while watching a show, or people who sit around chit chatting, yes... A waste of space.

So what sort of exercise regime legitimizes 10-minute pauses between short sets of moderate weight?
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