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Re: Iran will impose fees on subsea internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Post by toast0 »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #83
krunck wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're just trolling the US. But if the US attacks and Iran again and Iran feels that the cables are vital to US military interests, they might destroy them. They have a right to: The cables cross the territory of the sovereign Iranian state.

> The cables cross the territory of the sovereign Iranian state The strait is not and has never been Iran's sovereign territory. Or should the UAE and Oman start trying to charge fees to ships trying to cross the strait too?

> The strait is not and has never been Iran's sovereign territory.

About half of it is, yes? Wikipedia has a nice map [1] which shows the agreed-upon maritime boundaries and there's also some disputed islands where there's no agreed up on boundaries listed. Wikipedia isn't absolutely correct, but where a body of water separates two sovereign states, the territorial waters tend to meet around the middle, with specific definition by treaty.

There's also a pretty detailed US state department report [2] on the boundaries in the Persian Gulf, Straight of Hormuz and Gulf of Oman that lines up with the wikipedia map by my eye.

I'm not sure if the TeleGeography [3] maps are supposed to be representative of where the cables are laid or more of a general picture idea like a subway map. Anyway, looking at the two maps at the same time, it seems like at least some of those cables are in Iranian territorial waters.

It would seem that, with care, new cables that don't land in Iran could be placed in the Persian Gulf and avoiding Iranian waters; although the Iranian waters in the Persian Gulf are quite a bit deeper, than waters on the other side; which is why the shipping lanes tend to be in Iranian waters. This reverses at the straight where the (depicted) lanes are in the deeper Omani waters.

> Or should the UAE and Oman start trying to charge fees to ships trying to cross the strait too?

Now seems like a good time to raise fees? Both countries have a chokepoint if Iran is going to play hardball.

[1] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Strait_o...

[2] https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/LIS-94.pdf

[3] https://www.submarinecablemap.com/

Re: Iran will impose fees on subsea internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

#102

Post by amanaplanacanal »

himata4113 wrote: post #10
jLaForest wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The purpose of this war is to distract from the Epstein files, and it's been very successful

pretty sure people already had epstein fatigue and didn't really care anymore. yes billioanires participated in crazy unethical parties with human traffiked hookers, water is wet. to be a billionaire you have to have an inherit evil inside you, otherwise your concious would simply never allow you to build up wealth to that point without redistributing it to employees, people who helped you get where you are, improvin…

Calling children who are sexual assault victims "hookers" is certainly a choice.

Re: Iran will impose fees on subsea internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

#103

Post by amanaplanacanal »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #87
Supermancho wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The chain of events did not start there. 20 years ago it was not blocked, although it well could have been. ie A car hits a pedestrian. Claiming the pedestrian did damage to the car's fender misses the context of the conflict.

The chain of events probably started something like 2000 years ago depending on how you count it. The fact remains that threatening the ships of peaceful commercial traffic by uninvolved nations is entirely Iran's doing.

As they say, all's fair in love and war.

Trump was certainly warned that this would be Iran's response, and started bombing anyway. Trying to absolve the US administration of this is just propaganda.

Re: Iran will impose fees on subsea internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Post by hebelehubele »

bluGill wrote: post #100
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US oil companies gain, you mean.

Most are public so my 401k gains. Oil companies will expand in this scenario and those new employees pay taxes, both which benefit everyone in some way. I drive an EV so I gain. Though most lose more than they gain, this isn't a complete loss for anyone.

> those new employees pay taxes, both which benefit everyone in some way.

The too-big-to-fail companies and Trump's cronies, you mean?

Re: Iran will impose fees on subsea internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

#105

Post by SauciestGNU »

joe_mamba wrote: post #39
grim_io wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the time of their declining empire, the US got late stage Nero instead of Marcus Aurelius.

[flagged]

Nero also knew that he must stand up to politicized Christianity.

Re: Iran will impose fees on subsea internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Post by ibejoeb »

everdrive wrote: post #59
DoctorOetker wrote: post #56

What makes Iran believe unilateral fees on subsea internet cables would be paid? If they start paying in this case, the rest of the world is going to start demanding unilateral fees from the operators. If operators are going to pay up anyhow, they might prefer chipping in for NATO support than publically rewarding such behavior... "chipping in" could range from symbolic to substantial, as the alternative would be fac…

>What makes Iran believe unilateral fees on subsea internet cables would be paid? Presumably because they will attempt to destroy them if the fees are not paid.

No snark: with what? Their navy?

Re: Iran will impose fees on subsea internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Post by everdrive »

ibejoeb wrote: post #106
everdrive wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What makes Iran believe unilateral fees on subsea internet cables would be paid? Presumably because they will attempt to destroy them if the fees are not paid.

No snark: with what? Their navy?

You destroy cables by trawling the ocean floor. I'm not sure how many trawlers were targeted, but perhaps they truly have no capability to carry out their threat.

Re: Iran will impose fees on subsea internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Post by himata4113 »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #102
himata4113 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

pretty sure people already had epstein fatigue and didn't really care anymore. yes billioanires participated in crazy unethical parties with human traffiked hookers, water is wet. to be a billionaire you have to have an inherit evil inside you, otherwise your concious would simply never allow you to build up wealth to that point without redistributing it to employees, people who helped you get where you are, improvin…

Calling children who are sexual assault victims "hookers" is certainly a choice.

eh, lazy writing on my part. intention was to describe the fact that they were forcefully turned into hookers and it doesn't matter that they're children or not: they're both extremely wrong, one more than the other, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't make it any better if they were not children.

"human trafficked woman and children turned into hookers"*

Re: Iran will impose fees on subsea internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Post by [deleted] »

toast0 wrote: post #101
Ajedi32 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The cables cross the territory of the sovereign Iranian state The strait is not and has never been Iran's sovereign territory. Or should the UAE and Oman start trying to charge fees to ships trying to cross the strait too?

> The strait is not and has never been Iran's sovereign territory. About half of it is, yes? Wikipedia has a nice map [1] which shows the agreed-upon maritime boundaries and there's also some disputed islands where there's no agreed up on boundaries listed. Wikipedia isn't absolutely correct, but where a body of water separates two sovereign states, the territorial waters tend to meet around the middle, with specific…

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Re: Iran will impose fees on subsea internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Post by watwut »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #73
mikestew wrote: post #2

"Esfandiary, of Bloomberg Economics, said Iran “theoretically knew” it had leverage over the strait but was uncertain how significant the impact would be if it acted on those threats. Now, she added, Tehran “has discovered the impact.” The thing that mystifies me is that U. S. war planners "theoretically knew" this, too; at least, I would assume. The whole war strikes me as the current administration finding out the…

The argument goes that, given the general disposition of Iran towards the US, its allies, and basically anyone who's not a Shiite Muslim, it wasn't a choice between war with Iran or no war with Iran. It was a choice between war with Iran now, or war with a stronger, possibly nuclear-armed Iran at some unspecified point in the future. Personally I disagree war was inevitable; time can change a lot of things and it doe…

Regularly scheduled reminder that if nuclear was the worry, Iran was actually abiding to existing agreements. In the USA Iran history, USA is consistent agressor and agreements breaker.

There was no imminent threat and per international law, that war is illegal. And even worst, situation where Iran does not have those anti-nuclear agreements was created by the very same people who started the war.

And even worst, they shown themselves ao untrustworthy, that no one can trust their future promisses. The only rational expectation Iran can have is that USA lies in negotiations and dont keep word. And attacks at will regardless of whether Iran keeps word or negotiates.

And note that it does not matter one bit that Iran has psychopatic goverment on its own right. Whatever irational paranoia they had was now validated.

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