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Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by walletdrainer »

nomel wrote: post #51
croisillon wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wondering about that line: A 36-year-old woman who had been unlawfully at large for more than 20 years and was wanted for failing to appeal at court for an assault in 2004. so she was 16 when she "disappeared" (how, where, sleeping in the streets?) and the camera can link a 16 y.o. face to a 36 y.o. one after probably rough years?

What's the argument here? Thats crimes should be forgiven after 16 years, or that facial recognition is demonstrably robust?

> Thats crimes should be forgiven after 16 years

That’s very common, yes.

Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by chadgpt3 »

jolmg wrote: post #49
krisbolton wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did that risk materialise? I suppose it would be only the same as credit cards. With a valid warrant authorities can gain access to information. But that's within a legal system designed by an elected parliament. I'm more concerned about ensuring the legal powers are checked and balanced, and stay that way.

> I suppose it would be only the same as credit cards. The cards seem to accept cash

He means the tracking potential is the same. Is the Oyster card anonymous?

Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by chadgpt3 »

nuyarusskii wrote: post #93
Caracas288 wrote: post #56

Regarding the broader picture, it’s interesting that despite the ineffectiveness of even major protests over the past decades—Iraq being the prime example—governments are introducing more obstacles to disincentivise them. From the perspective of government, why not simply ignore such events, use existing (extensive) laws which cover them? It’s like states are unconsciously preparing for the large-scale disruption whi…

"Why not ignore such events?" Because then (when mass protests are simply ignored) the "Russian disinformation" about UK not being precisely a "democracy" suddenly starts looking true? If you have no protests, it means that the public is ok with what the government is doing. In a democracy (whatever one understands by it) that is.

A loud minority can look like a majority. (I'm not sure if there's a way to solve this)

Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by chadgpt3 »

graemep wrote: post #23
stavros wrote: post #2

Wow, that's... quite the precedent. Presumably this is a Reform UK event, which I'm not a fan of, but still, I don't think this escalation of surveillance will end well. The article says that drones "will scan the faces of suspects", suspects of what exactly? What crime has been committed that they suspect people for?

No, nothing to do with Reform. Organised by Tommy Robinson. The guy Reform think is such a nutcase that they turned down a huge donation from Elon Musk because Elon made it conditional on letting Robinson join Reform. Its hard to find anyone more loathsome than Tommy Robinson in British politics, but being horrible is not a crime.

Would there be any point where a horrible person and 150k of his supporters marching would become a crime?

Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by Caracas288 »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #82
Caracas288 wrote: post #56

Regarding the broader picture, it’s interesting that despite the ineffectiveness of even major protests over the past decades—Iraq being the prime example—governments are introducing more obstacles to disincentivise them. From the perspective of government, why not simply ignore such events, use existing (extensive) laws which cover them? It’s like states are unconsciously preparing for the large-scale disruption whi…

You think police should ignore situations in which violence and destruction of property are highly likely? Why? How does that benefit society? At what point do you allow intervention? After they've destroyed £x,000 of property? After people are assaulted? How are you proposing police get deployed safely in those circumstances with 10s of thousands of protesters/rioters in the streets? Don't you think maintaining law&…

No, I didn’t say police should ignore violence, I actually said that existing laws would be sufficient. I was referring to governments ‘ignoring’, i.e. not further restricting rights to protest, not the police ignoring protests.

To address it though, I think we are in a bad situation when widespread violence is even a risk; it indicates that civic pride has completely broken down.

I don’t know what the answer would be in that situation, and I’m not proposing a solution to it. (I’m not sure we’re there quite yet either)

More important than people trusting authority is authority trusting the people. The more trust in a society, the less ‘law and order’ needs to be handled by structures external to the social mass.

Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by pjc50 »

graemep wrote: post #23
stavros wrote: post #2

Wow, that's... quite the precedent. Presumably this is a Reform UK event, which I'm not a fan of, but still, I don't think this escalation of surveillance will end well. The article says that drones "will scan the faces of suspects", suspects of what exactly? What crime has been committed that they suspect people for?

No, nothing to do with Reform. Organised by Tommy Robinson. The guy Reform think is such a nutcase that they turned down a huge donation from Elon Musk because Elon made it conditional on letting Robinson join Reform. Its hard to find anyone more loathsome than Tommy Robinson in British politics, but being horrible is not a crime.

Reform (Farage) got a different £5m under the table donation.

Robinson is gutter racism. Farage is trying to be its respectable face.

Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by tkocmathla »

chadgpt3 wrote: post #102
jolmg wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I suppose it would be only the same as credit cards. The cards seem to accept cash

He means the tracking potential is the same. Is the Oyster card anonymous?

Yes, they can be anonymous in the sense that you can buy one in person and top it up without an ID [1].

[1] https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/ways-to-pay/where-to-buy-tickets-an...

Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by KaiserPro »

skippyboxedhero wrote: post #66
KaiserPro wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this is a Reform UK event No, its a Tommy Robinson (not his real name) event. Whilst the venn diagram shows crossover in policy and beliefs, its not actually a reform demo. I am uneasy about the facial recognition being used here. In terms of actual differences to how "oh shit this is going to be a violent one" protests are actually policed is not that much. There are mobile CCTV units that are deployed with plods…

There has been no violence at any of the previous marches iirc. I think people assume there must have been because Starmer and co are foaming for violence...but there weren't. Also, they have banned 11 people from getting visas because they were "agitators" and are deploying 4k police officers. Just as a reminder though, the UK has people standing for political office who were convicted of terrorist offences, we have…

> There has been no violence at any of the previous marches iirc.

His last protest was in september, it was pretty violent. 26 police officers were injured.

Tommy robison has the advantage here in that its not illegal to express public support for him and his march, unlike palestine action where its very much illegal to do so (hence why there are >2000 arrests)

> they have banned 11 people from getting visas because they were "agitators"

if this is a march for uniting the british realm why would he need foreigners to speak? Last time Musk incited violent overthrow of the UK government. Which is rich coming from a fucking Afrikaner.

> we have people turning up illegally who are carrying out terrorist attacks in the UK regularly...it is a very odd situation.

Nice I see what you did there. Everyone immigrant is a terrorist. Look, if people turn up illegally, then its fair to process them fairly and return. There is nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is changing the law so its impossible to do that, unless we pay £300k a year to send 4000 people to an african country. yes, just 4k people, not a year, total.

The biggest issue facing the UK is that we have not had a working government since 2007.

We also have foreigners people paying people £300 to fire bomb ambulance stations. Its almost like theres a vested interest in fomenting unrest...

Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by KaiserPro »

spwa4 wrote: post #59
4ndrewl wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe it's just that whenever Tommy ten names has one of his rallies it ends in violence?

Ever walked through the streets of London after essentially any rally? They all end in violence.

> They all end in violence.

Odd way to say you've never been to london.

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