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AI is making me dumb

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Re: AI is making me dumb

#101

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In my experience, Claude only knows how to spew code. Every problem you want it to solve, it translates into "more code" rather than "less code". You have to very closely code review everything it does, otherwise your codebase is going to just grow and grow, and asymptotically approach 100% debt. I code review everything that Claude produces, and I'd estimate about 90-95% of the time, my reaction is WOW it works but…

Of course it writes a lot of code. It gets paid per token. That's guaranteed future income every additional line of technical debt.

Periodically you can also ask it to review the recent changes and see if there is a risk-free way to streamline them.

You can also tell it to periodically summarize the "lessons learned" from the recent session(s)

Re: AI is making me dumb

#102

I can't relate that much to this. Every time I use AI to write code, I'm constantly fighting a feeling on the back of my neck that I need to look over everything it has done and supplement/alter it with my own code. That ick feeling counteracts the dopamine hit of having a working app after a few minutes of vibe coding, and I don't think that's going anywhere anytime soon. That said, I have experience. I could absolu…

I've been using it mostly to bat away yak shaving rabbit holes one can get into when working on a large and complex project. I work mostly on platform work, which is generally nebulous in its feedback loop and testing. Relegating AI to refactoring and building tools to help me research keeps me focused on solving the actual main problem I'm trying to solve, reduces context switching. I really don't understand people who use it to bat out their main focus. I simply don't trust it at that level.

Re: AI is making me dumb

#103

I can't relate that much to this. Every time I use AI to write code, I'm constantly fighting a feeling on the back of my neck that I need to look over everything it has done and supplement/alter it with my own code. That ick feeling counteracts the dopamine hit of having a working app after a few minutes of vibe coding, and I don't think that's going anywhere anytime soon. That said, I have experience. I could absolu…

> I'm constantly fighting a feeling on the back of my neck that I need to look over everything it has done and supplement/alter it with my own code.

On the flip side, I'm working on stuff FAR more challenging than I would ever be able to do on my own.

My brain is melting because I can barely keep up with learning how to figure out if I'm even doing what I'm trying to do.

AI might be making me a worse coder, but I don't care. If it hasn't "solved" coding now, I'm pretty confident it will long before my career is over. I don't have a job because I can write code - that's a small part of it. I have a job because I can get things to work. Anyone can code things that don't work (especially AI).

AI is certainly making me a far better overall engineer. Instead of spending my time trying to make the compiler happy (or fixing dynamic type errors at runtime), I can spend my time trying to solve substantially harder problems that I would never even dare try without an entire team to back me up (i.e. never).

Coding - imo - is VERY low on the totem pole of engineering skills.

I don't care if the function is pretty. I care if the system is upholding invariants and performing as expected, and there's adequate testing in place to PROVE to me that it ACTUALLY works.

High performance concurrent code has always blurred the line between sorcery and arcana... Go didn't really solve that. Rust/Tokio didn't. Zig didn't. C certainly hasn't.

It might be easier to prove to yourself, if you're the one doing all the writing, but at the end of the day, code is rarely just for you...

You probably should have the same level of proof whether you wrote it yourself and just trust yourself bro, or whether a Chinese Room wrote if for you.

I feel like I'm living in a Brave New World, and - at least for the time being - I'm enjoying it, even if it feels like I'm sprinting as fast as I can and still unable to keep up.

Re: AI is making me dumb

#104

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Care to share some of these thoughts?

1. we will be thinking at the level of systems like services and DB's and forget about inconsequential things like methods, classes, variables 2. we will think of verification loop more - tasks will be chosen that have more ability to be easily verified 3. the concept of the difference between "generation" and "verification" will be more mainstream [1] 4. spec driven development will become more common 5. scenario te…

> 2. we will think of verification loop more - tasks will be chosen that have more ability to be easily verified

> 4. spec driven development will become more common

I do believe both of these, recently someone created an rar open source alternative for all its version using LLM agents because of that specs and in some sense verification/easy debug (or compile time) aspect.

On the other hand, I was making a GUI application (a rough scratchpad app) in Odin and there were so many bugs that I had to explain it and even then it was like lottery or just about unpredictable would be the better word as it would fix one thing and break another or just not fix it.

At the end of the day for GUI apps, it just doesn't have any way of testing them that greatly perhaps. There are many GUI things which I feel like LLM's are still underwhelming in, especially if you wish to create a GUI in say any niche language.

It can do that but the workflow is so bad that it might just not be worth it. i do wonder if GUI development becomes the one thing that AI can't do and their software development jobs are safe.

I was just scrolling upwork randomly and I saw tons of flutter & wordpress jobs.

Re: AI is making me dumb

#105

I can't relate that much to this. Every time I use AI to write code, I'm constantly fighting a feeling on the back of my neck that I need to look over everything it has done and supplement/alter it with my own code. That ick feeling counteracts the dopamine hit of having a working app after a few minutes of vibe coding, and I don't think that's going anywhere anytime soon. That said, I have experience. I could absolu…

I feel the same way, and yet I would still say I feel AI usage atrophying my thinking skills. I feel less tempted to use it to shortcut whole files, but even just using it to speed up looking up and carefully reading docs, tinkering with a library to understand it when docs are inadequate, working out the tradeoffs for design decisions... These sound less objectionable and more like simplr speedups, but when I _do_ need to do it (because the agent refuses to do it properly) I can feel the friction so much more keenly. Whether that's just me losing the habit of those specific tasks, or a generalised loss of g-factor, I don't know.

Re: AI is making me dumb

#106

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> after a few minutes of vibe coding Don't vibe-code, it's a joke someone coined in the moment, that somehow the industry decided shouldn't be a joke, and some people think it's a feasible way of developing stuff, it's not. Find a better way of working together with agent, where you get the review what's important to be reviewed by a human, and "outsource" the rest, and you'll end up with code and a design that works…

There are tasks where it is appropriate to vibe code

Agreed, whenever you're 99% sure you'll throw away the code afterwards.

Re: AI is making me dumb

#107
My company has 3 AI on every pull request now. They behave as follows:

1. a general coding AI: Completely broken. Should auto-comment, but never does anymore. Stopped a while back, nobody seems to know why.

2. another general AI: You have to at-chat it. It reacts to the message with , but never actually posts a comment?

3. a security bot. Comments, when it thinks there's a problem, in the most obtuse way possible. "SAST findings". But the findings are behind a link, and none of us devs are given access.

I could lean on and press the various people shoving AI down my gullet to like … look at this, and the actual lived experience of devs trying to derive productivity from this mess? But IDK what's in it for me, really.

Even Claude, when it worked, would comment in the most sociopathic manner possible: an English prose description of the problem, attached to an utterly unrelated line of code. Part of that is probably Github, who does let you attach comments to arbitrary lines of code in a review, only the blesséd lines can have comments. Literally none of our AI can format their complaint with a freaking suggested change (i.e., the Github feature, no, instead I get English prose).

Honestly for all I know we failed to pay the bill or something inane, but it would be nice if the AI could format an error message, or something.

Re: AI is making me dumb

#109

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I'm curious whenever I hear takes with your perspective. Entering the workforce happens at an age where people have built (some more rudimentary than others) a level of understanding and self control regarding delayed gratification and Type II fun. Did you have the kind of life where you were never really challenged to build that skillset, or is the mental stimulation so strong for you when you use AI that it overcom…

> Did you have the kind of life where you were never really challenged to build that skillset, Do you really think phrasing a question like this will ever induce a productive response?

I guess I could have phrased it better, but at some point I'm asking about weak self control vs if the drug is that strong. The life experience thing was meant as laying down a facesaving reason that it's OK to say your willpower sucks. You just weren't forced to cultivate it. Plenty of reasons that can happen in life.

I think it's pretty normal to be able to reflect on the difference in life skills between myself and those I see in others. There are things I've struggled with throughout adulthood because through some happenstance I was able to avoid the class of challenge as a child.

I didn't learn how to study until my 20s. I didn't have will-power over eating and exercise until my body changed around 30 and I suddenly got fat, then I talked with friends that teased me for being less skilled at something than a teenage version of themselves.

What's the saying: someone who's never smoked doesn't have to learn how to quit smoking?

Re: AI is making me dumb

#110
I have been telling people lately that I feel like I'm losing my mind. And I'm not even someone who has leaned into AI coding that much either; I've just tried to learn the tools since Claude got "good". But my inherent laziness, which was always flattered as something that makes me a good programmer, has made me unable to use the tools with the required discipline. The result is that I have not thought deeply about the software I write for around 3 months. Every additional week that goes by without me doing a refactor or serious feature addition saps my confidence. I know I can still code. But I feel worried that I can't. Today I am refactoring a 4k LOC AI-written rust codebase. I don't know rust, but I will finally learn it today. And I can already tell the end result will be 50% the size and immeasurably more coherent.
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