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A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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MIT Current Graduate Student are 41% international. https://facts.mit.edu/enrollment-statistics/

Yup, it’s called a brain drain and it’s why until recently America held a vice grip on groundbreaking research and its commercialization.

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Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

#103

The real problem is we make it too hard for international researchers to stay here. These high end student visas should have strong paths to permanent residence - maybe even an expectation

This was a relatively widespread opinion 20 years ago. I had Roy Blunt, Republican senator from Missouri at the time, come to talk to us, telling us that he thought a science Ph.D should come with a green card stapled to it. But the politics of immigration never let small bills through, as people wanted bigger ones, and the bigger ones always had things that would risk filibusters.

And we all know that the current US senate isn't anywhere near passing any reform, as nothing can hit 60, and if anything did, it would be immigration restrictions.

There was a time that the road was kind of easy: During the Clinton and early GW Bush years, the H1 limits were very high, so if you could find a job, you at least got on that train. It was a long wait if you didn't have a Ph.D, but it was extremely reliable. Not so much anymore.

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

#104

The real problem is we make it too hard for international researchers to stay here. These high end student visas should have strong paths to permanent residence - maybe even an expectation

Isn't that the entire incentive structure for international PhD graduates already (at least on the private industry front)?

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

#106

I read this as saying that MIT is becoming less competitive? Means if you just finished your BS, applying to a PhD program at MIT may be a 20% better bet than before, especially with the job market in its current condition…

No, it doesn't tell us anything about how competitive it is.

This is a 20% drop in enrollment, not in applications.

If applications stayed the same, it would be more competitive, if they dropped more then 20%, it would be less competitive.

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

#107
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at all, the US is still the world leader in research institutions. And I say this as an European, we’re miles behind really. You have to make a lot more fuck ups for us to catch you.

I think the highest ranked technical universities by the end of this decade will be Chinese. Things are accelerating more than I expected.

Making America great again, again.

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

#108
post #21

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The people decided that this sucks and have spoken. Dear god, make America stupid again!

So you're suggesting our systems should be less democratic, then? Maybe opposing points of view should pick better candidates that will actually win elections. That's how it works, right?

> you're suggesting our systems should be less democratic

I’ll take the bait. I think we need less electoral fetishisation. Our republic is woefully deficient on selection by lot, something which would seem to benefit e.g. our judiciary.

> opposing points of view should pick better candidates

Totally agree. But the primary-by-election system demonstrates, in a microcosm, why defaulting to electing everything isn’t a good strategy.

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

#109
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you’ve got it backwards. MIT used to be brain-draining China, India, Iran, Europe, etc into schools like MIT. The lower numbers mean this is happening less. There are likely multiple factors: becoming less attractive, their domestic options becoming more attractive, more aggressive immigration posture, etc

If you "drain" something the subject of the verb is what is being drained not where it is draining to.

Monopolizing talent is a zero sum game. If your tally is in the negative, you're experiencing brain drain.

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

#110

Good. The US is reaping what it sows, and other research institutions will become the new leaders. Stinks for Americans, but the world will be better off overall.

Not at all, the US is still the world leader in research institutions. And I say this as an European, we’re miles behind really. You have to make a lot more fuck ups for us to catch you.

The US is the world leader in lists compiled by who? I'm pretty sure China is the world leader in lists compiled by them.
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