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MacBook Neo Deep Dive: Benchmarks, Wafer Economics, and the 8GB Gamble

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Re: MacBook Neo Deep Dive: Benchmarks, Wafer Economics, and the 8GB Gamble

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Post by Havoc »

GeekyBear wrote: post #92
Havoc wrote: post #85

Recently dived into mac world (air) too after decades of win/linux. Pleasant experience and very impressed by hardware and polish except wow the keyboard/shortcut situation is absolutely cursed. Not different...actually cursed. Who decided that sometimes its cmd+Q to close a window while other times its cmd+W and some apps support both but with different behaviours and knowing which of the three it is depends on know…

The standard behavior is that: Command Q quits the currently active application. Command W closes the current window without quitting the active application.

>Command Q quits the currently active application.

Open Finder. cmd+Q. Does it quit anything? Nope nothing happens.

>Command W closes the current window

Open apple TV. cmd+w -> minimizes window. Open Safari. same keys - cmd+w. Closes current window? Nope. Closes tab. Open Apps. Cmd+w. Does it close window? Close Tab? Nope...third option...does fucking nothing.

That's 3 different apps made by apple and preinstalled by apple...three different behaviours

>standard behavior

It isn't and its a tribute to human adaptability to chaos that mac crowd thinks this is standardization

Re: MacBook Neo Deep Dive: Benchmarks, Wafer Economics, and the 8GB Gamble

#102

Post by majorchord »

headcanon wrote: post #6

My wife bought a Neo and has been very happy with it. I was wary of the 8gb memory limit but she is running claude code doing web development with a reasonable number of tabs open and no noticeable lag, so I'd say its definitely getting a lot of mileage out of it. It honestly seems good enough that it might cannibalize Macbook Air sales.

How on Earth did you find a wife who codes? Asking for a friend.

Re: MacBook Neo Deep Dive: Benchmarks, Wafer Economics, and the 8GB Gamble

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Post by Havoc »

y1n0 wrote: post #88
Havoc wrote: post #85

Recently dived into mac world (air) too after decades of win/linux. Pleasant experience and very impressed by hardware and polish except wow the keyboard/shortcut situation is absolutely cursed. Not different...actually cursed. Who decided that sometimes its cmd+Q to close a window while other times its cmd+W and some apps support both but with different behaviours and knowing which of the three it is depends on know…

What app doesn’t support cmd-w?

Open apple TV. cmd+w -> minimizes window. Open Safari. same keys - cmd+w. Closes current window? Nope. Closes tab. Open Apps. Cmd+w. Does it close window? Close Tab? Nope...third option...does fucking nothing.

As an outsider it boggles my mind that apple crowd doesn't notice how all over the place macos shortcuts are.

Re: MacBook Neo Deep Dive: Benchmarks, Wafer Economics, and the 8GB Gamble

#104

Post by retired »

washingupliquid wrote: post #72
rco8786 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel confident in saying that I am better at computers than 99.99% of the general population and I have no clue what “SS” or blue USB ports are supposed to indicate.

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Apple never colored their ports because up until the Neo all ports were the same speed. No need to distinguish them.

Re: MacBook Neo Deep Dive: Benchmarks, Wafer Economics, and the 8GB Gamble

#105

Post by armanj »

zozbot234 wrote: post #94
armanj wrote: post #7

for vibe coding stuff, especially when you're outside touching grass, I believe MacBook Neo is perfect. it fills the gap between the phone remote control (which is too painful for chatting with ai cli) and, well, not having any dev device.

It can't run LLMs very well, you'll be limited to tiny models with no coding ability and they'll be slow.

i assumed you're connected to internet and using codex/claude code

Re: MacBook Neo Deep Dive: Benchmarks, Wafer Economics, and the 8GB Gamble

#106

Post by teaearlgraycold »

wiseowise wrote: post #79
epistasis wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been on my M1 Air, 16GB, since a few weeks after launch, more than six years now. I still use it daily with lots of Docker containers, VS Code, tons of Electron apps, a small macOS arm VM, and lots of browser tabs simultaneously. Recently, Claude's VM environment is getting exercised simultaneously. Usually the memory pressure is into yellow, but responsiveness is still far higher than any Mac from the Intel day…

And you forgot the best part: it is completely silent.

I appreciate a light whoosh from a laptop.

Re: MacBook Neo Deep Dive: Benchmarks, Wafer Economics, and the 8GB Gamble

#107

Post by maccard »

washingupliquid wrote: post #50
wlesieutre wrote: post #37

> The I/O is also a genuine limitation: one USB 2.0 port is functionally useless for data transfer, no Thunderbolt means no fast external storage, and charging occupies your only USB 3 port. You're supposed to use the USB-2 port for charging and save the USB-3 port for external accessories, not the other way around It only supports 10Gb/s compared to 40 that USB-4 is theoretically capable of, but that's more than eno…

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This is why standardising in USB c the connector was a mistake.

Re: MacBook Neo Deep Dive: Benchmarks, Wafer Economics, and the 8GB Gamble

#108

Post by Havoc »

ralfd wrote: post #96
Havoc wrote: post #85

Recently dived into mac world (air) too after decades of win/linux. Pleasant experience and very impressed by hardware and polish except wow the keyboard/shortcut situation is absolutely cursed. Not different...actually cursed. Who decided that sometimes its cmd+Q to close a window while other times its cmd+W and some apps support both but with different behaviours and knowing which of the three it is depends on know…

cmd-W closes windows and cmd-Q quits the App. That Apps can stay open without having a Window is actually useful (at least it makes sense to me). @screenshot Mac has always been kind of amazing for the granular options you get to take screenshots out of the box. • Command - Shift - 3 | Takes a fullscreen pic of the entire display. Loads a preview in the bottom right corner. Click to expand, and from there edit, share…

>cmd-W closes windows and cmd-Q quits the App.

Open Finder. cmd+Q. Does it quit anything? Nope nothing happens.

Open apple TV. cmd+w -> minimizes window. Open Safari. same keys - cmd+w. Closes current window? Nope. Closes tab. Open Apps. Cmd+w. Does it close window? Close Tab? Nope...third option...does fucking nothing.

That's 3 different apps made by apple and preinstalled by apple...three different behaviours

Re: MacBook Neo Deep Dive: Benchmarks, Wafer Economics, and the 8GB Gamble

#109

Post by teaearlgraycold »

wlesieutre wrote: post #37

> The I/O is also a genuine limitation: one USB 2.0 port is functionally useless for data transfer, no Thunderbolt means no fast external storage, and charging occupies your only USB 3 port. You're supposed to use the USB-2 port for charging and save the USB-3 port for external accessories, not the other way around It only supports 10Gb/s compared to 40 that USB-4 is theoretically capable of, but that's more than eno…

USB 2.0 speeds are still fine for 99% of my USB transfer needs.

Re: MacBook Neo Deep Dive: Benchmarks, Wafer Economics, and the 8GB Gamble

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Post by washingupliquid »

coder543 wrote: post #57
washingupliquid wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The computer pops up a warning if you plug a fast device into the slow port, which is a lot more informative for the average user than a tiny label that most users wouldn’t even read. Labels would be nice, I guess, but their absence is hardly a dealbreaker.

Windows has been showing popup USB speed warnings since at least Windows XP.... so 25 years?

Let's not use this cope to mislead anyone into thinking this is a unique Mac innovation (it isn't) that trumps this abomination of human factors (it doesn't).

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