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Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by parasubvert »

shakna wrote: post #98
parasubvert wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hardware yes. Bambu's software, not quite. If you want to flash it with 3rd party firmware & use 3rd party slicers, have at it. If you want to use Bambu's software against their TOS, OK you wouldn't be alone in that, but there's no moral high ground in it.

Sure there is. When purchased, it was able to do something. Due to an update, the customer has now been misled, because a feature was removed. In most countries, that would violate consumer rights. There's an ethics argument here.

That's a highly creative interpretation of events. The software license agreement usually upfront covers what can or cannot not change. It is pretty rare in most countries to see successful legal action for changed features, but best of luck.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by mschulkind »

asveikau wrote: post #83
mschulkind wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're missing two things from the whole picture: 1. Cloud mode works without local network access, so their server is involved in the transit of the data to the printer. This is pretty minor, but still within their rights to preserve. 2. For printing from the app, they actually run the computationally expensive slicing algorithm on their servers, so this is totally reasonable to protect.

But in this case the users want to use those features locally and are being blocked. Using a resource constraint argument doesn't make sense for it. It seems more likely they want it as a revenue source at some point.

If you turn on LAN mode, it acts exactly like every other printer. You can print directly to it from any slicer over your LAN, or dump gcode on the SD card directly.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by gcr »

parasubvert wrote: post #90
oliwarner wrote: post #37

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> This isn't actually possible This is only true due to a firmware they pushed last year. It's an artificial limit. There's no reason at all a local client couldn't just talk to a local printer without any cloud. Every problem BambuLabs have here is self-inflicted. They could allow simultaneous cloud and local queue management with or without authentication.

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This is HP’s current philosophy towards consumer desktop inkjet and laser printing, and customers universally hate it. No thanks!

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by ghostpepper »

A lot of the distrust toward Bambu is because they originally announced cloud auth would be required even for printing locally in LAN mode, and only backpedalled on that when they saw the backlash.

I'm not sure why their entire domain has been excluded from archive.org but you can still see the original post for now: https://blog.bambulab.com/firmware-update-introducing-new-au...

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Critical Operations That Require Authorization The following printer operations will require authorization controls:

Binding and unbinding the printer. Initiating remote video access. Performing firmware upgrades. Initiating a print job (via LAN or cloud mode). Controlling motion system, temperature, fans, AMS settings, calibrations, etc.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by balp »

kayson wrote: post #78
foxylad wrote: post #65

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> What users want... Take a step back. What users want is to be able to use the machine they bought the way they want. The outrage is because Bambu are doing a bait-and-switch: selling an autonomous 3D printer, but switching to a 3D printing service. Enshittification pure and simple.

I don't think they baited and switched? I bought my P1S before the whole LAN mode debacle and even then it was all or nothing on the cloud. I just went with the cloud because they were using some IGMP stuff for the local connection, but I had the printer on a separate VLAN and pfsense IGMP proxying was broken. A different way of looking at it is that Bambu is saying if you want to use their cloud you have to send eve…

For me, I want to use orca for slicing there are many more additions to the local code. As both orca and Bambo are from the same open source, the current limitation in the Bambo version is breaking the licensing of the application, and my rights in that software are broken by this addition. Then, during the print, I'm really happy to use the handy app to monitor the progress. This use case was supported when I got the hardware. Now I have to disable the app to get the slicer. I actually like to use both slicers to compare and see progress. They are also terrible at software licensing, don't understand what open source is, and they found their main software on that. They probably should embrace the orca community and use their research for their own customers. Better slicing helps everyone.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

#108

Post by josephg »

parasubvert wrote: post #101
shakna wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure there is. When purchased, it was able to do something. Due to an update, the customer has now been misled, because a feature was removed. In most countries, that would violate consumer rights. There's an ethics argument here.

That's a highly creative interpretation of events. The software license agreement usually upfront covers what can or cannot not change. It is pretty rare in most countries to see successful legal action for changed features, but best of luck.

Taking functionality away from a product after you bought it is a scum move. If the law lets them get away with it, the law should be changed.

When I buy a product, I look at reviews and make my purchasing decision on the features and functionality at the time of sale. If a software update later ruins that, I want the option to get my money back.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by asveikau »

mschulkind wrote: post #103
asveikau wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But in this case the users want to use those features locally and are being blocked. Using a resource constraint argument doesn't make sense for it. It seems more likely they want it as a revenue source at some point.

If you turn on LAN mode, it acts exactly like every other printer. You can print directly to it from any slicer over your LAN, or dump gcode on the SD card directly.

People are saying the LAN mode lacks access to the webcam and possibly some other things. That is what this whole controversy is about. It's re-enabling some cloud features as local only and Bambu is calling it privacy or fraud.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by mystraline »

parasubvert wrote: post #101
shakna wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure there is. When purchased, it was able to do something. Due to an update, the customer has now been misled, because a feature was removed. In most countries, that would violate consumer rights. There's an ethics argument here.

That's a highly creative interpretation of events. The software license agreement usually upfront covers what can or cannot not change. It is pretty rare in most countries to see successful legal action for changed features, but best of luck.

The "agreement" is at best coerced, and under blackmail of hardware you bought and paid for.

At worst, its a fraudulent indefinite rental masquerading as a 'sale'.

And lets discuss 'updates that fuck over your hardware'. In dwcent countries, thats hacking, and a serious criminal charge. But lol, companies are somehow exempt.

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