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Re: Operation: Epic Furious

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Post by an0malous »

epistasis wrote: post #99
an0malous wrote: post #49

It's great except the war is obviously for Israel not oil, we had more access to oil before the war

Well oil is frequently trotted out as a reason to do this, so we certainly can't take oil out of the discussion, whether it feels like it's an obvious bad reason or not. It's been all throughout the news throughout March and April, here's some examples (please excuse the LLM summary, but summarizing lots of repetitive news links is actually one thing that LLMs do not hallucinate on often): > March 29-30, 2026: Trump…

They’ve also said it was to stop their nuclear weapons program, the same program they said they destroyed at the beginning of the year.

They additionally said it was to free the Iranian people from the oppressive regime, and later said we would end their civilization if they don’t agree to a cease fire.

I’m sure obtaining their oil is a goal, but it’s not their primary goal.

Re: Operation: Epic Furious

#105

Post by epistasis »

an0malous wrote: post #101
epistasis wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well oil is frequently trotted out as a reason to do this, so we certainly can't take oil out of the discussion, whether it feels like it's an obvious bad reason or not. It's been all throughout the news throughout March and April, here's some examples (please excuse the LLM summary, but summarizing lots of repetitive news links is actually one thing that LLMs do not hallucinate on often): > March 29-30, 2026: Trump…

They’ve also said it was to stop their nuclear weapons program, the same program they said they destroyed at the beginning of the year. They additionally said it was to free the Iranian people from the oppressive regime, and later said we would end their civilization if they don’t agree to a cease fire. I’m sure obtaining their oil is a goal, but it’s not their primary goal.

Well even "a" goal is a big change from "obviously not".

Historians will debate the true reasons for this invasion, but in the end I think they'll conclude it's just the random actions of a very incompetint and not very intelligent person that acts with pure id.

Re: Operation: Epic Furious

#108

Post by an0malous »

epistasis wrote: post #105
an0malous wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’ve also said it was to stop their nuclear weapons program, the same program they said they destroyed at the beginning of the year. They additionally said it was to free the Iranian people from the oppressive regime, and later said we would end their civilization if they don’t agree to a cease fire. I’m sure obtaining their oil is a goal, but it’s not their primary goal.

Well even "a" goal is a big change from "obviously not". Historians will debate the true reasons for this invasion, but in the end I think they'll conclude it's just the random actions of a very incompetint and not very intelligent person that acts with pure id.

If I go to the supermarket for groceries and fill up the gas in my car to get there, my goal wasn’t to get gas, it was to get groceries.

The historians are already saying this war is for Israel, that’s what John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs are saying. I’m sure the companies that produce the textbooks will find a way to say how it’s all rather more complicated than that though.

Re: Operation: Epic Furious

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Post by lopsotronic »

an0malous wrote: post #49

It's great except the war is obviously for Israel not oil, we had more access to oil before the war

I think it might be even worse than that. It's a war for nothing at all.

A defense analyst said, "we can't be sure that the administration has met their war aims" and it made me scream at the radio. What aims? They didn't even bother making something up. At least Bush 2 respected us well enough to lie. I have no idea what any of this is supposed to accomplish.

You're watching a nuclear power putter around a marina with fifty brawling toddlers climbing all over the tiller.

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