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PS3 Emulator Devs Politely Ask That People Stop Flooding It with AI PRs

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Post by HerbManic »

mrandish wrote: post #11

If you look into the arcane architecture of the Playstation 3 console you quickly gain an appreciation for just how impressive the RPCS3 emulator is. PS3 is definitely one of hardest emulation targets, so it's wild they have the majority of the library working (with enhancements like upscaling and higher frame rates on many of the titles). I guess it's nice people want to help and AI assisted coding can be fine but I…

When I saw it treats SPE code in the same manner as shader code on GPUs that was an enlightening moment. It made so much sense to treat it like that. That move while complicated removes a lot of potential performance issues.

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Post by perching_aix »

Den_VR wrote: post #87
heavyset_go wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it is a tooling problem. The tooling is telling laymen that they built wonderful things that definitely work and perfectly fix and add features. The tooling gasses them up and is simply wrong in these cases. If your tool regularly lies, gaslights and produces wrong results, that's a tooling issue.

Does the hammer lie to you that everything is a nail? Can a voltmeter _lie_ to you? EE are expected to know when their measurements are wrong. And Professional Engineers are legally accountable for consequences of such mistakes.

> Can a voltmeter _lie_ to you?

Hell fucking yes it can?

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Post by oneshtein »

sitkack wrote: post #65
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Over the last month, I've been using Claude to assist in some things that were at the edge of my ability (or maybe just a hair's breadth beyond it). I've added features to open source projects that everyone's been waiting years for. I always fork it telling myself that I want to be able to submit PRs, but really I'm just making the changes for myself, since I don't even have the nerve to show it off. If these people…

You could use your changes to show that a feature is useful, but not do a PR. The specific code is no longer that important.

In era of AI, prompts are the source.

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Post by grebc »

nlh wrote: post #10

I’ve read so many stories like this that I’ve actually gotten scared of making PRs open source projects. There’s one in particular where a feature I really wanted didn’t exist, so I forked and had Codex 5.5 assist with building the feature on my local version. It works perfectly. My life has been improved in being able to have this feature now. Normally I’d want to share it back with the community so others can benef…

It’s the right outcome. Yours isn’t the better version.

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Post by grebc »

MBCook wrote: post #61
Panzer04 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're upfront about the provenance and amount of effort that went into it, is there really a problem? I feel like the issue is people contributing code they don't understand and presenting it as if they do.

Quite possibly never tested, of maybe only tested their problem and not if it broke anything else.

Not quite possibly. 99.99999% likely.

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Post by eschaton »

jamesu wrote: post #8

We've seen a few takes on this kind of issue, but the solution I liked the best was the linux "developers take full responsibility" approach. The "Assisted-by:" tag was a pretty nice touch too. The article unfortunately feels more like a rant than a good exploration of the problem space.

If the submitter of a PR needs to take full responsibility for the code within, then the code within cannot be LLM-generated because—depending on whether you consider it an original work by the LLM or a resurrected copy of its training data—it’s either not subject to copyright or under someone else’s copyright.

(At least for any coding LLM that isn’t trained entirely on one company’s own code and also offered by that company. That sort of LLM might be able to make the regurgitation argument work for them.)

Thus any project requiring “full responsibility” by submitters may as well just ban submitters from using LLM-based tooling. That’s the tack I’ve taken for my projects, and a number of large projects have taken that stance too.

(Before someone trots out “Technical enforcement of this is impossible!” be assured that such rules are not negated by a lack of technical enforcement; after all, there’s also no way to technically enforce that you didn’t copy someone else’s code and paste it in. But by thinking a lack of technical enforcement matters, you’re outing yourself as someone who will happily violate rules if they think they won’t get caught.)

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Post by eschaton »

HDBaseT wrote: post #3

I recently just started using Claude/ChatGPT/China models for some PS3 homebrew work. Every model seemingly falls flat in this scope of programming. The PS3 is very complex and the tooling is fairly undocumented in a lot of instances. It doesn't surprise me most of these AI PR's are nonsense. If anyone else has attempted writing PS3 homebrew apps using AI and has refined their tooling/systems/automation please let me…

Why would you expect the LLMs to work for PS3 development? How much PS3 code do you think there is in the training set?

You do realize that’s actually how they work, right? They don’t understand or reason about anything, your prompt and other input is just about trying to guide where the pachinko balls fall in the output.

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Post by eschaton »

christkv wrote: post #86
nxobject wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similar for me, but regarding the Classic Macintosh APIs. The difference is that there are plenty of books, and some source code available… just not enough to stop Codex from writing subtly wrong gibberish. I get the impression that the “10x velocity!!!!” claims still only reflect which areas have a sufficient corpus to learn from, rather than any inductive reasoning.

You are completely right it's a what is the next token guessing machine so without corpus it's guesses are worse as expected.

I’m glad to see someone else in these parts understands.

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Post by ixxie »

Compare two popular FOSS harness projects:

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OpenCode

4.9k issues 1.7k PRs 158k stars

https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode

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Pi

31 issues 4 PRs 47k stars

https://github.com/badlogic/pi-mono

Their secret? A very rigorous contribution policy. Essentially, issues and PRs are autoclosed, and reviewed daily by the team. If its not slop, they whitelist either the issue/PR or the contributor (so their stuff isn't autoclosed next time).

https://github.com/badlogic/pi-mono/blob/main/CONTRIBUTING.m...

GitHub needs an issue / PR approval flow.

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