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Re: France moves to break encrypted messaging

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Post by kivle »

alkindiffie wrote: post #77

So in France you will not be able to send your friend gibberish text that only you and your friend understand. Will they also ban the ability to make new languages that only you and your friends understand. Will they also ban whispering?

Or will they ban you from using something like https://github.com/filosottile/age to encrypt and armor text encode things you send inside of the non-encrypted chat?

echo "Am I doing something illegal, France?" | age -e -r age1ql3z7hjy54pw3hyww5ayyfg7zqgvc7w3j2elw8zmrj2kg5sfn9aqmcac8p -a -

  -----BEGIN AGE ENCRYPTED FILE-----
  YWdlLWVuY3J5cHRpb24ub3JnL3YxCi0+IFgyNTUxOSBjTVQ5VTdMaTlnRkEyT1BY
  MHZPc0lncHFvbS9FMTlDa2FkK3JQZy9sQnprClRFN3lNQUtnNzJWK0RxQVlYNE1q
  NCtlNFJTUWpwZExJSDMvSGlRL2VHc1EKLS0tIC95bEErRU9NNERJRVVuYlMwUFg4
  WUx1R0IyTHd1d2dxQTdqU0NJWlF0MXMKL1x9fz+ZVObYrn3bY/IdVBsd4KYxn78P
  aWePVjaRUityGTkndNSy6gg1meVky22iv4rxd9MZ4XYnsGJDfRUmkVZhQcCxag==
  -----END AGE ENCRYPTED FILE-----

Re: France moves to break encrypted messaging

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Post by sunshine-o »

palata wrote: post #14
userbinator wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it's time for France to reconsider its relationship with the EU.

The French people typically elect far-right politicians to represent them at the EU level, so...

It is true that "far-right politicians" had the most chance to be elected in the EU parliament but this is in fact insignificant.

How individual country influence the EU is there is an invisible battle on putting their people anywhere under the commissioners. There are a lot of career people you will never hear about yielding immense power there and from what I know they do not have a political affiliation how we understand it (left, right, etc.)

If you are a corporation or foreign actor and you need something from the EU you cannot care less about the people elected in the fake parliament. If your chance of influencing or blocking something is in the parliament, you already lost.

Most people have a hard time wrapping their head around this because we actually have a better understanding how the US political system works, individual EU countries or even the CCP.

Re: France moves to break encrypted messaging

#104

Post by ttoinou »

hilbert42 wrote: post #25

Seems to me we're going to have to let the anti-encryption mob have their way until things go wrong—bigtime. No amount of expert advice will convince them until they witness firsthand the negative consequences of weakening encryption. It's only afterwards and as a consequence some highly newsworthy disasters occur such as a child abduction or political sex scandal involving a high profile politician come to light tha…

I think there’s no turning back in this kind of laws. What has been lost is lost. In France a lot of public databases were leaked recently. It cannot be undone

Re: France moves to break encrypted messaging

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Post by dotancohen »

walletdrainer wrote: post #96
dotancohen wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you just openly call for political assassination of French lawmakers in a public forum?

The murdering of French lawmakers is something we frequently celebrate here in France. Your profile suggests that you’re in Israel, where groups like the Irgun are celebrated as national heroes. Violent struggle against perceived oppressors shouldn’t be an unfamiliar concept.

You are correct, the Irgun are credited along with two other organisations as being the physical protectors of our people during a time when we were more typically known for being slaughtered. However, very few people here are extremists that celebrate the Irgun. Quite the opposite, the Irgun is famous internationally because they were the violent exception to the norm.

Israel was founded by leftists, only in the late 1970s did Israel turn to the right. The Irgun was certainly not representative of those values which are typically associated with our people.

Re: France moves to break encrypted messaging

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Post by [deleted] »

EMIRELADERO wrote: post #8
jmclnx wrote: post #5

Lets pretend this happens, I am curious how it would work. So a person in Canada messages someone in France who's WhatsApp is not encrypted. But the message from Canada is encrypted. Will the person in Canada's message have to be sent unencrypted ? Or will WhatsApp Canada need to allow France to break Canada's encryption ? Personally I think it would be easier for these apps to ban people in France from using their s…

They would have used the "ghost user" strategy. > "Perrin now offers a different framing. “Article 8 ter, which I had adopted, was not at all aimed at obtaining encryption keys but at introducing a ghost participant into a conversation before encryption,” he says. The “ghost participant” approach, sometimes called a ghost user proposal, was floated by GCHQ in 2018 and rejected by every major privacy organization, civ…

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Re: France moves to break encrypted messaging

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Post by dorgo »

tardedmeme wrote: post #57
vkou wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure the judge will love your explanation.

In my home directory is a 4GB random file. I suggest you should do this too. Vary the filename to taste. Some suggestions: the name of any active drug market or cyber threat actor.

I came about a Google subscription which includes 2TB of storage. I filled it with crypto noise (ok, Gemini did it for me). I couldn't let it be unused. Will have to delete it when the subscriptions runs out.

Re: France moves to break encrypted messaging

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Post by [deleted] »

sunshine-o wrote: post #99
budududuroiu wrote: post #52

I'll repeat this over and over: Most EU politicians are aware of needing to lead from positions of deep unpopularity for the next 10-20 years, they're just setting the stage to have the tools to suppress dissent at their disposal. After encryption, my bet is on reduced rights to protest (see UK wanting to ban protests that repeatedly "cause disruption").

Yes, all the Mertz, Macron, Starmer and unelected Brussels ones have officially about 10-20% approval rating. This is in fact mind boggling and I am still wondering how it is even possible. My guess is most of those positive approval are boomers who watch TV and are less impacted by their policies because they own their house and receive their retirements, they are highly incentivised to keep the train going. Or peop…

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