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The Old Guard: Confronting America's Gerontocratic Crisis

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Re: The Old Guard: Confronting America's Gerontocratic Crisis

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this problem with older people not giving in to younger ones is prevalent everywhere.

professors - with tenure - they can die on the job.

board rooms are visibly older e.g average age of Apple board members 68.

the partners at law firms etc.

now very few companies have very few succession plans.

in other parts of the world even worse e.g in Africa - you have presidents with one foot in the grave tryin' to rule.

Re: The Old Guard: Confronting America's Gerontocratic Crisis

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Here’s a better proposal: add none of the above to every ballot. If a super majority (say 80%) pick that the election is an automatic do-over and the people on the ballot can’t run for a period of say five years. A couple cycles of this will flush the crap out of the system.

"No Confidence" vote option exists in some countries.

Re: The Old Guard: Confronting America's Gerontocratic Crisis

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This is likely the worst issue humanity will be facing over the next 50 years, even more than climate change. An increasingly old demographic will sabatoge the future of humanity as they drain enormous resources and abuse democratic processes to reroute resources to their preservation of life over young people and familes. Young people and families will choke to death under the strain of elders who demand unlimited s…

If only the olds would die we could build more datacenters! More seriously, why wouldn't older, longer-lived people be more likely to address long-term problems like climate change?

whats wrong with datacenters?

Re: The Old Guard: Confronting America's Gerontocratic Crisis

#104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's likely a steel man version of "solving inequality" that's a little less radical than "establish a commune". Something like "arrest the trend towards upward accumulation which also reduces incentives to excel", maybe.

If we did that, we wouldn't have SpaceX, Nvidia, AI, etc.

There are points in history where the productivity increases were more equitably spread, and we still got lasers, microwaves, MRI, mRNA, microchips, the internet, etc, etc, from national funding no less.

Re: The Old Guard: Confronting America's Gerontocratic Crisis

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's happening in the US, too. I know of a senior couple where the husband recently retired after forty years of working in a professional field. They live in a house worth over $750k that is paid off. They have three new or late-model vehicles. Both the husband and wife could, if necessary, work for an income. They also collect Old Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance checks after enrolling for them. The common…

> They have three new or late-model vehicles. Depends on geography of course, but it's not rare at all for boomers to have this many houses as a normal part of how they experienced middle-class life. As a group they are not only more likely to have rental/investment property, but also more likely to have multiple such properties. Why would they sell? They can get you to pay for all their services, and vote as a block…

Because that cannot continue in perpetuity. The cracks are already starting to show. If I were in my 60s faced with the real possibility of living another 15-30 years I'd want the younger people to feel like they had something to look forward to. Many young and middle-aged people in the US don't feel that way. What they can't get through the ballot box, they'll get other ways, ways that will cause others to say "I'm not saying I agree, I'm saying I understand."

It's the job of government to make sure that doesn't happen, not cater to it.

Re: The Old Guard: Confronting America's Gerontocratic Crisis

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post #101

this problem with older people not giving in to younger ones is prevalent everywhere. professors - with tenure - they can die on the job. board rooms are visibly older e.g average age of Apple board members 68. the partners at law firms etc. now very few companies have very few succession plans. in other parts of the world even worse e.g in Africa - you have presidents with one foot in the grave tryin' to rule.

Well the problem is much more pronounced as people live longer and longer. I think this will all come to a head soon. Social security, for one, is going to exceedingly get strained as people draw on it for longer. Being alive also doesn’t mean you’re competent.

Re: The Old Guard: Confronting America's Gerontocratic Crisis

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While I mostly agree... Venice was run by very old men. It was common for the Doge to be in their 80s. Meanwhile, many of their neighbors had kings who were very young, sometimes teenage boys. Venice was the longest lasting, most stable state in Europe.

There's multiple states in Europe that lasted longer (and they are still lasting to this day) than Venice.

Re: The Old Guard: Confronting America's Gerontocratic Crisis

#108

Term limits would fix it

Term limits are perhaps the dumbest idea that ever plagued democracy. The idea of mandatory firing your most qualified, experienced employees in an incredibly difficult job that can only be learned with on-the-job experience is literally insane. If not for term limits, the US would have had Obama in the presidency this entire time instead of the absolute garbage scraps that were left over when they fired the only per…

Nah you are wrong, and I will provide as much evidence for my position as you. It should be even stronger, every politician should have hard cap on how long they can serve for. Even just a congress seat and such.

Re: The Old Guard: Confronting America's Gerontocratic Crisis

#109

This is likely the worst issue humanity will be facing over the next 50 years, even more than climate change. An increasingly old demographic will sabatoge the future of humanity as they drain enormous resources and abuse democratic processes to reroute resources to their preservation of life over young people and familes. Young people and families will choke to death under the strain of elders who demand unlimited s…

If only the olds would die we could build more datacenters! More seriously, why wouldn't older, longer-lived people be more likely to address long-term problems like climate change?

Why do assume that its young people that want datacenters? Its not zoomers' money being invested into Oracle.

Re: The Old Guard: Confronting America's Gerontocratic Crisis

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's happening in the US, too. I know of a senior couple where the husband recently retired after forty years of working in a professional field. They live in a house worth over $750k that is paid off. They have three new or late-model vehicles. Both the husband and wife could, if necessary, work for an income. They also collect Old Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance checks after enrolling for them. The common…

Because they were promised it - fundamentally leaving the rich out of the social safety net doesn't even get us much and administrating the distinction costs money, and I am no fan of the wealthiest get additional benefits. I think solving inequality will not be about reducing access to said safety nets but increasing them for all.

> Because they were promised it

No, they weren't. They were promised a monthly check that, should they become absolutely devoid of marketable skills and liquid assets in their old age, would prevent them from dying in a gutter.

They're nowhere near dying in a gutter.

If you want to solve inequality, stop giving checks to people who spend it on golf trips to retirement villages in Arizona, and give it to people who have 84-month car notes and whose student loans are in forbearance. You only have enough money for one of those two groups, not both, so use utilitarianism to decide who to give it to.

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