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Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

#101

Post by semiquaver »

observationist wrote: post #94
semiquaver wrote: post #85

Serious question: what if you don’t have a (smart)phone?

That means you're a peasant, and don't matter. Don't worry, they'll work with telecoms and carriers to ensure devices matching your budget are subsidized and made available at every possible opportunity.

I expected mostly snark from my earnest question, And got it.

Ok, concrete scenario. What about homeless people using the computer at the library? Im pretty sure Google wouldn’t intentionally cut marginalized people like this off from the entire internet, would they?

Please don’t respond with sarcasm.

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

#102

Post by warkdarrior »

mystraline wrote: post #75
tardedmeme wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discord has a feature where you can log into your account on your PC by scanning a code on your phone. So does Binance.

So does Signal.

But Signal is secure(TM)!

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

#103

Post by warkdarrior »

semiquaver wrote: post #101
observationist wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That means you're a peasant, and don't matter. Don't worry, they'll work with telecoms and carriers to ensure devices matching your budget are subsidized and made available at every possible opportunity.

I expected mostly snark from my earnest question, And got it. Ok, concrete scenario. What about homeless people using the computer at the library? Im pretty sure Google wouldn’t intentionally cut marginalized people like this off from the entire internet, would they? Please don’t respond with sarcasm.

US govt used to have a program to sponsor mobile phones for homeless. Is that still around or did DOGE kill it?

(edit) It seems to still exist: https://www.fcc.gov/general/lifeline-program-low-income-cons...

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

#105

Post by aboringusername »

semiquaver wrote: post #101
observationist wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That means you're a peasant, and don't matter. Don't worry, they'll work with telecoms and carriers to ensure devices matching your budget are subsidized and made available at every possible opportunity.

I expected mostly snark from my earnest question, And got it. Ok, concrete scenario. What about homeless people using the computer at the library? Im pretty sure Google wouldn’t intentionally cut marginalized people like this off from the entire internet, would they? Please don’t respond with sarcasm.

Well, it depends on the application and context. I don't think a homeless person at the library is going to be booking a $1000-a-night room in downtown Los Angeles.

However, services that homeless people will be using should factor in their target audience (such as the homeless not having a phone at all, or maybe not one that's up to date even).

However, like it or not, having a modern up to date device is becoming essential for even rudimentary basic access to society. Whether that's right or wrong it's where we are.

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

#106

Post by Hizonner »

IshKebab wrote: post #38
Hizonner wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... You... think... it would be a good thing. Don't you...

I do. It has downsides of course, but what's the alternative at this point?

Depends on your specific problem. Usually redesign your system not to need to care if the other end is a bot or not.

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

#107

Post by EmbarrassedHelp »

tardedmeme wrote: post #24
ronsor wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, this is going to turn into another malware vector, isn't it?

Discord has a feature where you can log into your account on your PC by scanning a code on your phone. So does Binance.

But none of those options are requirements to access the service.

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

#108

Post by EmbarrassedHelp »

x0x0 wrote: post #62
driverdan wrote: post #37

Any company that requires me to scan a QR code to make a purchase is losing my purchase.

It's coming. The Poshmark morons demanded government id to buy a $35 shirt. On an established account, an address that matched my credit card, etc. The only answer is delete your account.

Why the hell would they care who is buying it? They're getting paid either way.

The only reason they'd care is because they want to sell your personal information.

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

#109

Post by ZeWaka »

gonzalohm wrote: post #64
comboy wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would not last long in China ;) (you pay by scanning QR code in .. well, everywhere)

They don't like contactless technology or what? I don't think that scanning a QR code is significantly more involved but it's enough to be annoying

It's all WeChat Pay (or AliPay).

Re: Google Cloud fraud defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA

#110

Post by Velocifyer »

reCAPTCHA is already so hard that I often can't solve the visual challenges, and Google has been blocking the audio challenges on VPNs (that is horrible for blind people) and also now the audio challenges are super hard.

Google Gemini can solve them and I don't think that it will take long for lower power AI systems to be able to solve them.

I will be unable to solve the phone verification because I use LineageOS for microG, but any fraudster can just buy a bunch of $30 android phones. Many people have trouble using a smartphone, so they use dumbphones, but they will be locked out. Many people just don't have any mobile phone because they don't think that it is useful.

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