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It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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Post by swsieber »

jespinel wrote: post #9

IMO, this is one of the main strengths of the US: you have 50 different options to live according to your values and beliefs, and relatively little friction if you decide to move to a state that better reflects them.

> relatively little friction if you decide to move to a state that better reflects them.

Yes, moving is possible, and easier than switching countries. But the biggest strength of the U.S. is not that people can move, but that the blast radius is contained. The strength is being able to think later "I'm glad we didn't try that everywhere at once." The strength is being able to experiment, not necessarily have states aligned to with all there residents needs within a certain threshold.

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Post by [deleted] »

f1shy wrote: post #79
djeastm wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>relatively little friction That word "relatively" is doing a lot of work in this phrase. 50 options sounds great until you think about the realities of it. As someone who's moved around a half dozen times, shared "values and beliefs" pales in comparison to the practical concerns of jobs, family, climate.

Still easier to move country inside the EU, as an example.

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Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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Post by dylan604 »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #92
hellojesus wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this not a 1A violation?

Because you also cannot counsel anyone on how to rob a house, or steal a car, or commit arson. You can teach them how to start a fire, and fire safety rules for the home, and you can teach them how to secure their cars and point out common vulnerabilities, but you can't actually counsel people on how to commit a crime or do something illegal. Well, you can and I guess that is your "free speech" but the judge is also…

yet there are plenty of sites with written or video instructions on how to pick a lock.

Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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Post by mmh0000 »

hellojesus wrote: post #52
darknavi wrote: post #45

> When Utah's Senate Bill 73 goes into force on May 6, websites subject to the state's age verification law will be legally barred from explaining how to use a VPN to get around age restrictions. This will definitely work. It sounds like it's time for some "How not to use a VPN" articles. https://www.grapecollective.com/prohibitions-grape-bricks-ho...

How is this not a 1A violation?

It very likely is, but someone is going to have to pay lawyers tons of money and wait for years for it to go through the courts to stop it.

Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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Post by dylan604 »

anikom15 wrote: post #57
jonathanstrange wrote: post #49

"websites subject to the state's age verification law will be legally barred from explaining how to use a VPN to get around age restrictions" I thought the US has free speech?

It does. That isn’t going to survive judicial review.

That's a very bold statement. What gives you the confidence to make it?

Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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Post by recursive »

8organicbits wrote: post #19
jmclnx wrote: post #10

Too bad companies did not have 'ba*s' to block their sites from being accessed in Utah. If all companies did that, it would stop all these crazy laws instantly. Where I live, one site I log into started asking for my birth date. That is in a State were age verification is not yet even being talked about. So my response is to never go to that site again. I believe it will change once users start dropping off that site…

> 'ba*s' Is this balls? You can curse here.

Surely it's 'barns'.

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Post by rootusrootus »

washingupliquid wrote: post #37
mothballed wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also some double standards. If you walk from Ecuador to Texas, passing through the Darien Gap and one of your kids gets ripped into some river never to be seen again, finally showing up in El Paso to sleep under a bridge until the heat exhaustion goes away, then you are a glorious immigrant who put it all on the line to give your family a better life. If you hitch-hike from California to Vermont while feeding…

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For Californians, or everyone else?

Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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Post by dlcarrier »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #49

"websites subject to the state's age verification law will be legally barred from explaining how to use a VPN to get around age restrictions" I thought the US has free speech?

It does. Journalists are rarely experts on the field they are reporting on (see also: Gell Mann amnesia) so even though the article's author is speaking authoritatively, he has no experience in law, but an MFA. (See the "About Sam" section at: https://tech.yahoo.com/author/sam-chapman-engadget/).

A more truthful take would be something like "Utah is the latest state to pass yet another law that conflicts with the constitution and will not go into effect".

Ironically, inaccurate journalism is a side effect of the freedom of speech that the first amendment grants us, but the benefits far outweigh the downsides, even if it means you need to dig around for better journalistic sources.

Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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Post by tempaccountabcd »

giantg2 wrote: post #67
anikom15 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does. That isn’t going to survive judicial review.

It very well could. See the restriction of fictional adult material depicting fictional minors just because there is a theory of those fake materials contributing to viewers becoming predators in the future. Same sort of harm to children logic could be used here.

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Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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Post by Barbing »

raverbashing wrote: post #78
Barbing wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for laying this out. “The hill to die on“

Which in Utah might be a problem (or is it another state, I don't remember)

Hoo else could ya mean then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoodoo_(geology) (beautiful state! see hoodoo pics)
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