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Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Post by stavros »

zero_shift wrote: post #98
stavros wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What did actually happen? I haven't played the game.

During the mainline of the game you are an anti terrorist specialist sent to rescue the president from a bunch of stereotypical mad bombers Well, basically, the leader of the terrorists is the 43rd US president, who is a clone of a super soldier despite being ostensibly anti cloning in office. (Yes, he's Dubya). He's planning to detonate a nuclear weapon above Manhattan so an EMP field knocks out all communications.…

...what?

I watched the Dunkey video linked elsewhere and thought he was making it up, he wasn't? The whole story is just random stuff happening?

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

#102

Post by badlucklottery »

stavros wrote: post #101
zero_shift wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

During the mainline of the game you are an anti terrorist specialist sent to rescue the president from a bunch of stereotypical mad bombers Well, basically, the leader of the terrorists is the 43rd US president, who is a clone of a super soldier despite being ostensibly anti cloning in office. (Yes, he's Dubya). He's planning to detonate a nuclear weapon above Manhattan so an EMP field knocks out all communications.…

...what? I watched the Dunkey video linked elsewhere and thought he was making it up, he wasn't? The whole story is just random stuff happening?

It's not really "random", there is a coherent story (and a moral to that story) underneath all the weirdness and you'll sometimes forget how crazy it's gotten because your current objective tends to make sense (ex: "defuse the bombs").

But all MGS games are basically playable Kojima manifestos with sci-fi trappings. The actual minute-to-minute gameplay for them is really, really good so even if you don't dig the story they're worth playing.

The previous poster is right that MGS4 does clear a lot of this up. But MGS4 also slams more weirdness and callbacks to the previous games on top of it.

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

#103

Post by krispyfi »

charcircuit wrote: post #94
Lammy wrote: post #77

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> That is the decision that they themselves have the power to make and leaks like this is stripping them of their creative rights over distribution Fuck yeah, that's exactly why this leak is a great thing. It should belong to everybody. “Konami” as an entity is not even comprised of the same people that worked there when MGS2 was created. Stop personifying corporations as singular entities.

You are entitled to think that people's hard work should belong to everyone after X many years. Stealing it is not something to celebrate as it is a deeply malicious action. Konami being made up of different people does not mean that they don't own still own it and have control over it. While archival sounds like a noble goal, in practice it is an excuse used by people who want to steal copyrighted works and take adv…

You have it precisely backwards. Culture belonging to the people is the default, natural state, and copyright is an unnatural legal fiction that should only be tolerated insofar at it produces a net positive in terms of promotion of the arts and sciences. Unfortunately, the whole intellectual property concept has been co-opted by big business for rent-seeking. I don't think the Konami execs are at a board meeting saying, "we can't fund another Metal Gear sequel because it will just become public domain in 20 years."

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

#104

Post by stavros »

badlucklottery wrote: post #102
stavros wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...what? I watched the Dunkey video linked elsewhere and thought he was making it up, he wasn't? The whole story is just random stuff happening?

It's not really "random", there is a coherent story (and a moral to that story) underneath all the weirdness and you'll sometimes forget how crazy it's gotten because your current objective tends to make sense (ex: "defuse the bombs"). But all MGS games are basically playable Kojima manifestos with sci-fi trappings. The actual minute-to-minute gameplay for them is really, really good so even if you don't dig the stor…

Hmm, interesting, thanks. I played MGS 1 when it came out, multiple times, as I liked it a lot. I don't remember it being so weird, but maybe I didn't pay enough attention to the story.

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

#105

Post by serf »

tombert wrote: post #68
casualscience wrote: post #38

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Not much, just accurately predicted the next 30 years exactly

Everyone focuses on that part, but what the hell was with the girl that could repel bullets but it turns out that it was magnets but actually maybe she does have powers? And what about the weird thing where you start sword fighting your father/president/clone? Yeah I know, sure, fake information on the internet. It's so prescient I guess, but the actual story is incomprehensible.

>Yeah I know, sure, fake information on the internet. It's so prescient I guess, but the actual story is incomprehensible.

apply this logic to john carpenter movies and they fall apart, too.

Escape from LA is just about as absurd, just less paranormal.

Nuclear powered personal submarines, surfing typhoon waves from California plate shifts, transforming bullet-proof stealth helicopters, emp superweapons and engineered DNA-tailored superbugs ( or atleast the claim of them ) , VR replacing reality, Cuba taking over the democratic world after a theocratic US rescension.

it's just entertainment campiness. When I play a Kojima game I just sort of imagine it internally as a video game equivalent to a John Carpenter movie.

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

#106

Post by 7thpower »

malfist wrote: post #78
tombert wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone focuses on that part, but what the hell was with the girl that could repel bullets but it turns out that it was magnets but actually maybe she does have powers? And what about the weird thing where you start sword fighting your father/president/clone? Yeah I know, sure, fake information on the internet. It's so prescient I guess, but the actual story is incomprehensible.

> but the actual story is incomprehensible. You're almost there. Double the convolutions in your post and you'll finally understand Kojima. And yes, that chick really does have to be topless, its not sexism. See, she breathes through her skin. Thats why she's such a good sniper

We were robbed of the end to that game. I loved it so much and will always wonder what closure I would have been robbed of if they had just completed it.

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

#107

Post by charcircuit »

krispyfi wrote: post #103
charcircuit wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are entitled to think that people's hard work should belong to everyone after X many years. Stealing it is not something to celebrate as it is a deeply malicious action. Konami being made up of different people does not mean that they don't own still own it and have control over it. While archival sounds like a noble goal, in practice it is an excuse used by people who want to steal copyrighted works and take adv…

You have it precisely backwards. Culture belonging to the people is the default, natural state, and copyright is an unnatural legal fiction that should only be tolerated insofar at it produces a net positive in terms of promotion of the arts and sciences. Unfortunately, the whole intellectual property concept has been co-opted by big business for rent-seeking. I don't think the Konami execs are at a board meeting say…

Culture may belong to people, but intellectual property like source code doesn't. It's protected by NDAs for the express fact that it doesn't become part of what the people have. Copies of the game have been released for people to play to directly experience the game.

>unnatural legal fiction

It is extremely natural for someone to have ownership over what one has created. If you make a beautifully designed pendant someone can't just steal it from you and claim that they are "archiving it" and want to experience culture.

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Post by charcircuit »

Lammy wrote: post #97
charcircuit wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are entitled to think that people's hard work should belong to everyone after X many years. Stealing it is not something to celebrate as it is a deeply malicious action. Konami being made up of different people does not mean that they don't own still own it and have control over it. While archival sounds like a noble goal, in practice it is an excuse used by people who want to steal copyrighted works and take adv…

> While archival sounds like a noble goal, in practice it is an excuse used by people who want to steal copyrighted works and take advantage of them “Take advantage” of them by restoring cut content, fixing bugs, and porting them to platforms that Konami never would. I am very excited for MGS2 to be taken advantage of.

A thief would be excited to eat the food they stole. Taking's other stuff for free always looks great from the thief's perspective.

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

#109

Post by charcircuit »

newdee wrote: post #99
charcircuit wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The game just had an update to support the Switch 2 only 2 months ago. It is still being used commercially.

Do you think this leak will harm sales of the Switch 2 version?

Yes I do think it will harm the sales, but it doesn't matter if it does or doesn't as releasing this goes against the wishes of the copyright owner.

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

#110

Post by tombert »

stavros wrote: post #101
zero_shift wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

During the mainline of the game you are an anti terrorist specialist sent to rescue the president from a bunch of stereotypical mad bombers Well, basically, the leader of the terrorists is the 43rd US president, who is a clone of a super soldier despite being ostensibly anti cloning in office. (Yes, he's Dubya). He's planning to detonate a nuclear weapon above Manhattan so an EMP field knocks out all communications.…

...what? I watched the Dunkey video linked elsewhere and thought he was making it up, he wasn't? The whole story is just random stuff happening?

I've only completed the first three, but at least in those, the stories get progressively off the rails and weird as they go on, especially MGS2.

It's one of those weird things, because the stories are kind of incomprehensible, but they're compelling in the same way that a soap opera is; while you're watching and playing, the story is very addictive and it doesn't feel that confusing as it's going on. There are even evil twins!

The moment I turn the games off, I kind of start thinking "....what the hell actually happened there?".

They do try and have a moral associated with it (though they do one of my pet peeves and just outright explain the themes they're going for at the end), so it's not completely trivial.

The games are a lot of fun, and they are certainly worth playing through in an emulator or something. I've played through the first MGS three times, and the second one twice, and I thoroughly enjoyed them both times, even rewatching the story unfold.

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