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Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

#101
So they're asking ISPs to build the Great Mormon Firewall, basically. Cool, cool cool, cool, cool.

I'm more scared that there is a push to do this federally, as that will, effectively, be tantamount to establishing explicitly state-controlled media.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

#102
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I am completely baffled by this wave of new laws and proposals... they feel dystopic and can seemingly only lead to brutal restrictions on the internet. What will we end up with? Only attested modems / endpoints in the home? With DPI? And a government issued smartcard to use it? It comes across as if this is what some legislators are actually after... they must have some technical advisors who can explain to them tha…

> What will we end up with? Only attested modems / endpoints in the home? you might laugh/cry, but there was a time in germany, when the telephone at home was owned by the state (the "Post") and you were NOT allowed to tinker with it. personally, i guess, things like sneakernet, lorawan and hamradio will become a lot more popular over time.

My pet theory is that network protocols will evolve to require some kind of certificate-based signing to uniquely identify individuals and groups. Hardware and operating systems will have legal mandates to enforce this. Penalties for carrying unsigned traffic will be stiff.

The “upsides” will be plentiful! User verification schemes will be streamlined like never before. If you think there are downsides… well, just think of the kids, damn it!

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

#103

I am completely baffled by this wave of new laws and proposals... they feel dystopic and can seemingly only lead to brutal restrictions on the internet. What will we end up with? Only attested modems / endpoints in the home? With DPI? And a government issued smartcard to use it? It comes across as if this is what some legislators are actually after... they must have some technical advisors who can explain to them tha…

We will end up with what China, Russia and Iran have. The American right has come to grips with the fact that their ideas and beliefs will not will not win on merit alone so they're moving to restrict and eliminate alternatives.

LOL - its just "the right" eh?

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

#104

This is happening simultaneously in many Western countries. It is clearly somehow coordinated. You don't need a tinfoil hat to see the conspiracy. Equally clearly, this is a first step to requiring identity, and ultimately government approval for your activities in the internet. Somehow, we really must reign in the political class, before we truly land in a dystopia.

I guess this is just to accelerate the preparation for a total war.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

#105

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It's all coming from Meta: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/reddit-user-uncovers-beh... Big tech wants regulatory capture.

I keep reading this but I don't understand how a company might want to push censorship on users. What is the economic benefit of censorship? Does Meta's bottom line increase if there is no illegal content and every user is age verified on the site? Would Meta care if you use a VPN? The ones that stand to benefit the most are the governments themselves and their surveillance network.

Meta’s bottom line is driven entirely by their ability to uniquely and persistently identify users for the sake of advertising.

Anything that makes it harder for a user to escape their dragnet is a win.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

#106

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We will end with correct and desired behaviour. If you misbehave, you get internet ban, and lose your livelihood. Driving licences, passports, electricity, banking... etc already work this way. Technical details are irrelevant. You should not be able to criticise current or previous government!

What previous government? We have always been at war with Eurasia.

Who today even declares wars? We can be best allies, while you blow up our pipelines!

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

#107

VPNs are on their way toward being banned and/or heavily regulated. I imagine what will happen is a requirement for VPN providers to "know your customer" just as banks do, and for them to be able to tie a particular traffic stream back to a specific human.

How will they ban self-hosted VPNs? https://mrbluecoat.blogspot.com/2025/08/self-hosted-vpn-opti...

Easily.

Host them on the cloud providers? You get banned.

Host them in your homelab and the ISP finds out? You get your Internet cut.

How will either of them find out? IP addresses and/or DPI.

All it'll take is an executive order or an act of Congress.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

#108
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How will they ban self-hosted VPNs? https://mrbluecoat.blogspot.com/2025/08/self-hosted-vpn-opti...

Ban them, demand GitHub et al take down the illegal repos, hit up Microsoft for records of everyone who ever downloaded them, hosting providers for customer records, and ISPs for lists of customers with VPN-shaped traffic between themselves and their hosting provider. Or if they’re lazy, just demand that the hosting providers sort it out.

What are you talking about what? What illegal repo? SSH? Socks? That doesn’t make any sense dude

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

#109
post #77

> It also prohibits covered websites from sharing instructions on how to use a VPN to bypass age checks. This country is led by idiots that do not enjoy or like freedom.

> This country is led idiots that do not enjoy or like freedom. This country is populated by idiots that do not enjoy or like freedom. These people didn’t just seize power in a coup.

Maybe a failed coup that ended up not being punished.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

#110
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I wouldn't say captured. Zuckerberg has been cutting deals with the new administration so often people were seeing him at the Pentagon. It's a partnership

It goes way before that, it isn't recent.

In-Q-Tel
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