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City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

#101
post #44

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That little man has eroded any respect that he might have been a priori granted with his publicly documented descent into a vibecoding mania. I'm still in disbelief that the very silly photographer guy is the CEO of ycombinator. Ah well, it was a good era.

isnt it the same sort of reason you guys have actors for presidents? its about how well you can sell the message, not how good you are behind the scenes, thats what normies are for.

That strategy didn't work out well for Makerbot. Tech companies actually need competent leadership with a tech background. You can't pretend they are interchangeable with some run of the mill commodities producer and adopt the same leadership practices.

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

#102
This is massively underplaying what happened. From the original source:

> [Randy Gluck - Flock Growth/Strategy] clicked through 3 private cameras at the JCC before he settled on JCC camera ‘Main Pool Right’. It was over 3 hours later before his next view on traffic cameras.

> [Bob Carter - Flock VP of Strategic Relations and BD] also has some interesting searches. On September 30th, 2025 - Bob looked at just one camera. This camera is in the gymnastics room of the JCC.

> [James Harding] The 1/7 session is the more notable one. He manually clicked through every JCC baseball field camera one per second, then paused 16 seconds before hitting Fitness, then Front Pool(1), Front Pool(2), Front Pool(3) — with 4-7 second pauses between each pool camera. Then after browsing other cameras, came back to Holding Cell 1 and 2, then Brook Run Playground 4 times over 33 seconds, then went back to Fitness again 12 minutes later. [...] his saved dashboard includes both holding cells and all three pool cameras, which is an unusual set of cameras to keep on a monitoring dashboard.

> [Yoruel Sanguillen] was manually clicking through JCC cameras one per second — baseball fields, cafe, camp cameras, clock tower — then hit Fitline Desk and paused 58 seconds. Moved to Front Pool(1) and paused 47 seconds. Then FitLine Weight, Fitness, paused 72 seconds, then Fitness North Exit and rapidly through all three Front Pool cameras in 3 seconds before moving to Guard House.

> [Kayce Lowe] came back on 2/14 - her first views were Gymnastics M/H front view left, Fitness, Gymnastics, Fitline Hall, FitLine Weight. She picked up exactly where she left off.

This reads like Flock employees are individually using the camera system to watch people in sensitive settings.

I'm unsure why 404 media is portraying this as related to a demo, it's seems like these are individuals acting independently.

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

#103
post #95

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or they have exact idea what they are doing and don't give a shit

Cluelessness seems more likely. They'd have to be pretty stupid to use a live video for a demo in this way - there is almost literally no benefit compared to something more carefully curated, pre-recorded and staged. The money saved would not justify the risk of something weird happening on camera and disrupting the sale. Or, case in point, the current headline. If they want a creepy vibe approach or to appeal to the…

I implore you to read the original source.

https://jasonhunyar.substack.com/p/why-are-flock-employees-w...

404 media is massively underplaying what happened.

> [Bob Carter - Flock VP of Strategic Relations and BD] also has some interesting searches. On September 30th, 2025 - Bob looked at just one camera. This camera is in the gymnastics room of the JCC.

> [Randy Gluck - Flock Growth/Strategy] clicked through 3 private cameras at the JCC before he settled on JCC camera ‘Main Pool Right’. It was over 3 hours later before his next view on traffic cameras.

> [James Harding] The 1/7 session is the more notable one. He manually clicked through every JCC baseball field camera one per second, then paused 16 seconds before hitting Fitness, then Front Pool(1), Front Pool(2), Front Pool(3) — with 4-7 second pauses between each pool camera. Then after browsing other cameras, came back to Holding Cell 1 and 2, then Brook Run Playground 4 times over 33 seconds, then went back to Fitness again 12 minutes later. [...] his saved dashboard includes both holding cells and all three pool cameras, which is an unusual set of cameras to keep on a monitoring dashboard.

> [Yoruel Sanguillen] was manually clicking through JCC cameras one per second — baseball fields, cafe, camp cameras, clock tower — then hit Fitline Desk and paused 58 seconds. Moved to Front Pool(1) and paused 47 seconds. Then FitLine Weight, Fitness, paused 72 seconds, then Fitness North Exit and rapidly through all three Front Pool cameras in 3 seconds before moving to Guard House.

> [Kayce Lowe] came back on 2/14 - her first views were Gymnastics M/H front view left, Fitness, Gymnastics, Fitline Hall, FitLine Weight. She picked up exactly where she left off.

Note these people are targeting a community center across multiple months.

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

#104
post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

or they have exact idea what they are doing and don't give a shit

Cluelessness seems more likely. They'd have to be pretty stupid to use a live video for a demo in this way - there is almost literally no benefit compared to something more carefully curated, pre-recorded and staged. The money saved would not justify the risk of something weird happening on camera and disrupting the sale. Or, case in point, the current headline. If they want a creepy vibe approach or to appeal to the…

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Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

#105
post #32

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Answer to 1 is simple and obvious based on Flocks previous actions: they have no idea what they are doing and are reacting instead of planning.

They all should be prosecuted and jailed for life for the egregious harm and, if citizens, their blatant treason of the nation and the constitution. I don’t think people are aware just how bad things are with these tyrannical and dystopian Flock cameras and the tyrannical illegitimate, treasonous government officials that install them. They are tracking your egress and arrival in your neighborhood, your patterns of l…

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Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

#106

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> The camera doesn't prevent crime. It just displaces it. That's why I periodically leave a bunch of bicycles with cheap locks downtown. They act like a kind of criminal sacrificial anode, reducing crime in the rest of the city.

That's why the police don't enforce drug laws in _particular_ areas. What you describe is obviously already happening on a much larger scale. I'm not sure why people have trouble grasping something this basic.

Cops don't enforce drug laws in particular areas because wealthy people live there and not only will arresting wealthy people and their kids get those guys a call from their boss, but the courts will never make any money off prosecuting wealthy people that can afford to drop thousands of dollars on a lawyers and the court case. Drug laws are enforced in poor areas tho because poor people can't afford good lawyers or drag the process out for years and potentially cost the court tens of thousands on just a single case, they instead get give a disinterested public defender, or maybe a bottom tier of private lawyer if they can afford it, against a prosecutor who's entire job is to ram cases and plea deals through the system as fast as possible to make a profit and fund the court and local cops. Judges that don't convict enough get the boots, prosecutors who aren't big enough dicks get the boot, public defenders that don't recommend a ton of plea deals or are too good at their job don't get offered as many public defense cases.

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

#107

All Flock footage should be subject to FOIA requests.

Including the footage from Flock cameras placed by private businesses on their own property?

If the government has access to it and it isn't otherwise publicly broadcast, yes. It is straight up illegal for the government to do it itself, just because they found a loophole of buying the surveillance they want from private institutions instead of using their own camera doesn't mean it is right or should be allowed to continue.

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

#108
post #41

> “The city of Dunwoody is one city in our demo partner program,” a Flock spokesperson told 404 Media. “The cities involved in this program have authorized select Flock employees to demonstrate new products and features as we develop them in partnership with the city. the two things i still dont understand are: 1) why is there not a dedicated demo environment for demos, like practically every other software? i cant t…

If it really has to be a live system, they could just set one up in a broom closet at hq?

A good live demo would be to set it up pointing to a fishtank. You fire up the demo, you see the fish. No privacy invasion but everyone gets to see how the camera behaves.

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

#109

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I’ve seen dozens of these types of demos and it’s always live footage from a semi public place like this. It’s much easier to just show live footage rather than rig up canned looping footage. It’s pretty astonishing how no one watching the demo with me seems to care. No one asking “Hey, will you just be able to do this with our video if we buy from you?”

I would think they would have a real set of cameras for demos, but like in their own office or something. Not pointed at unwitting children. So dystopian

Woah hold on there, having cameras in their office could be a huge violation of privacy!
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