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Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Post by LocalH »

dylan604 wrote: post #98
LocalH wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ability to do less actual work and still get arrests

the question does not really seem like a good faith question. if people on this forum can't see a reason why someone would want to use AI to make their life easier is kind of hypocritical. what, it's only good for techbros to use it, but other's can't? we know that pretty much every police agency is understaffed and those working are humans and would like to make their job easier/faster/more successful just like ever…

There are a lot of people here who are against any so-called modern "AI"

I'm kinda one of them

ELIZA they are not

Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Post by bigbuppo »

mlmonkey wrote: post #47
jeremywho wrote: post #25

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> this story has have nothing to do with the cameras or AI This story wouldn't exist without flock cameras constantly surveilling the public...cameras have EVERYTHING to do with this story.

This wouldn't be a story if the cops did not put the wrong license plate in the system. How is it Flock's fault? Flock is just doing what it is being asked to do! Let me put in simple terms: Flock flags license plates that are given to it. Someone, somewhere says, license plate "ABCD1234" has a warrant out. And guess what, if Flock sees that plate, it _will_ flag it each. and. every. time! Tomorrow, say an "Amber Ale…

How are all these dead baby seals Flock's fault? They simply released the Auto Baby Seal Clubber 9000 on beaches that have baby seals. It's the people that keep submitting "club baby seals" to the system that are the problem.

Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Post by dualvariable »

zehaeva wrote: post #72
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #61

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Why the heck are they using both O and 0 on their license plates? Seems like a recipe for this kind of failure.

The cameras that they have to read plates in a lot of different conditions and various states of cleanliness. Some states allow O and some states allow 0, and some states don't care. Combine the two issues and cops get lazy and want to check the plate with both the 0 and O just to "make sure". The cameras also confuse D and Q with 0 and O. And 5 & S, and 2 & Z, and 6 & G, and 8 & B.

The cops have likely been doing this for decades, because the human eyeball can confuse an O for a 0 much worse than image recognition does these days.

Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Post by ASUfool »

LocalH wrote: post #91
dylan604 wrote: post #87

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I think if you are driving around in a pink Ford Taurus you are definitely guilty of something even if the plate reads MARYKAY

bad taste isn't a crime lmao

Tell that to the fashion police.

Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Post by [deleted] »

pj_mukh wrote: post #6

Paraphrasing the crux of the issue: "It's regular practice in Colorado to list license plates with both versions, the one with 'O's and the other with Zeros in the warrant list." Insane. Practice. As always, this story has have nothing to do with the cameras or AI, but "law enforcement has an insane lazy practice" doesn't make for a very good headline anymore.

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Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Post by josefresco »

pj_mukh wrote: post #6

Paraphrasing the crux of the issue: "It's regular practice in Colorado to list license plates with both versions, the one with 'O's and the other with Zeros in the warrant list." Insane. Practice. As always, this story has have nothing to do with the cameras or AI, but "law enforcement has an insane lazy practice" doesn't make for a very good headline anymore.

No it still relates to the cameras. When you hook up incompetence with automation bad things happen quickly an in far great numbers. Incompetence alone, if isolated or kept from spreading viraly is far less damaging.

Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Post by tcp_handshaker »

dualvariable wrote: post #100
pj_mukh wrote: post #6

Paraphrasing the crux of the issue: "It's regular practice in Colorado to list license plates with both versions, the one with 'O's and the other with Zeros in the warrant list." Insane. Practice. As always, this story has have nothing to do with the cameras or AI, but "law enforcement has an insane lazy practice" doesn't make for a very good headline anymore.

> "It's regular practice in Colorado to list license plates with both versions, the one with 'O's and the other with Zeros in the warrant list." That is a suspicion of what might be the problem. And he's facing a Kafkaesque problem that in order to get him removed from the list they need to know who the warrant is for, but he also can't find out who the warrant is for. Someone can clearly figure this out and help to…

>> And he's facing a Kafkaesque problem

Dont forget the comment from the local police...

"We can remove him from our list...we cant do anything about others list"

Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Post by [deleted] »

virissimo wrote: post #26
pj_mukh wrote: post #6

Paraphrasing the crux of the issue: "It's regular practice in Colorado to list license plates with both versions, the one with 'O's and the other with Zeros in the warrant list." Insane. Practice. As always, this story has have nothing to do with the cameras or AI, but "law enforcement has an insane lazy practice" doesn't make for a very good headline anymore.

It's not insane at all to return both in a lookup. The "reporting person" will often be wrong about slight variations when calling in a license plate and the downside of errors are asymmetric: it is much more dangerous for the officer to think a driver doesn't have a warrant when they do versus thinking they have a warrant when they don't.

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Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Post by kajman »

dylan604 wrote: post #94
rtkwe wrote: post #77

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Doesn't solve the issue until all 48/50 states have the same standard.

interesting. i never new a fraction of something could be considered all.

I think the assumption is most criminals won't bother to bring cars from Hawaii or Alaska if they don't follow along.
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