Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga • Hacker News Board

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

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Post by jeppester » Thu, Apr 30, 2026, 6:40 PM UTC

rtkwe wrote: post #37

dwedge wrote: post #19

I'm torn on this. It always should have gone through the courts, but the fact is that cloudflare are providing access to illegal content and not doing anything about it. They were left with two choices if Cloudflare refuse to act. Either accept it (oh well, too big to fail), or block them. I dislike what is happening but I kind of like that they don't care about the size of Cloudflare and hold them as accountable as…

It's unreasonable to expect cloudflare etc to be able to proactively identify legal vs illegal streams. The companies who own the copyrights can't even get that right much less a third party that has no idea if a stream is licensed.

Why though? Why is it unreasonable to expect a company to have some level of responsibility for serving clients that are using their platform for illegal activity?

It the same thing with social media and moderation. We don't have to let them off the hook just because doing the right thing would make them unprofitable.

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

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Post by wmf » Thu, Apr 30, 2026, 6:49 PM UTC

jimmydddd wrote: post #100

Sorry. Why can't an indivudual bad actor site be targeted without affecting non bad actor sites? Why does the blocking have to be so broad?

Because both sites are on the same IP address.

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

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Post by tomnipotent » Thu, Apr 30, 2026, 6:50 PM UTC

embedding-shape wrote: post #96

evilmonkey19 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally, myself I have been greatly impacted by this measures. Several services of mine were unavailable because LaLiga said so. No notification, no justification, they block and that's all. It has been a shame since the beginning.

> No notification What ISP? I'm using Vodafone and if I accept the insecure connection (because of mismatched certificate), I get served the notification. You don't get that?

Presumes you're using the ISP's DNS and not custom servers or DoH.

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

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Post by pier25 » Thu, Apr 30, 2026, 6:53 PM UTC

dwedge wrote: post #90

akersten wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay and Chrome provide a service displaying the illegal content to the user. What now?

Can you get closer to the source than chrome? Can you get closer to the source than cloudflare? Don't be disingenuous just because you like the company.

It's disingenuous to believe there was any merit in blocking Cloudflare. Not only this was never going to solve the piracy problem but it was always more of a pissing context.

Furthermore, La Liga somehow convinced the courts they should be able to pick IPs for all ISPs to block in real-time without any oversight from the law. Considering this is a private company this is just absolutely insane.

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

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Post by aduwah » Thu, Apr 30, 2026, 6:53 PM UTC

I wonder why didn't Cloudflare just say that technically they can't block the IPs for a short time as they have no mechanism to do it and it would take a significant amount of $$ to develop it.

Right after this statement they could have permanently block all the IPs and let the outraged customers make enough noise that would have prompt the government to act sooner.

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

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Post by embedding-shape » Thu, Apr 30, 2026, 6:55 PM UTC

tomnipotent wrote: post #103

embedding-shape wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No notification What ISP? I'm using Vodafone and if I accept the insecure connection (because of mismatched certificate), I get served the notification. You don't get that?

Presumes you're using the ISP's DNS and not custom servers or DoH.

Bit hard to get notified by the ISP if you effectively try to side-step the way they notify you, don't you think? Also bit weird to blame them for that.

If I recall correctly, if you try to access the IP directly you get the same notification. No football game on right now though so cannot check.

Edit: In fact, I'm not sure they do DNS filtering at all actually, it may be just based on IP, can't remember off-hand, considering the collateral damage, I'd say IP blocks mainly.

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

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Post by tomnipotent » Thu, Apr 30, 2026, 6:56 PM UTC

embedding-shape wrote: post #97

tshaddox wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably the Cloudflare network resources in question were not located in Spain and thus not under Spanish jurisduction. Or even if they were, it may be procedurally simpler for the Spanish government to compel ISPs to block IPs.

> it may be procedurally simpler for the Spanish government to compel ISPs to block IPs. The Spanish government is not the ones enforcing the ban here. La Liga and Telefonica went to the judges, who are the ones making ISPs to enforce these blocks, as an intermediate "fix" essentially.

> went to the judges

Which are part of the Spanish government.

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

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Post by bobthepanda » Thu, Apr 30, 2026, 6:58 PM UTC

thaumasiotes wrote: post #85

evilmonkey19 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally, myself I have been greatly impacted by this measures. Several services of mine were unavailable because LaLiga said so. No notification, no justification, they block and that's all. It has been a shame since the beginning.

What would it look like if you sued La Liga for using their lawful blocking power in a way that injured you?

I don’t know that this would work that well given Spain is civil law, not common law

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

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Post by embedding-shape » Thu, Apr 30, 2026, 6:59 PM UTC

tomnipotent wrote: post #107

embedding-shape wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it may be procedurally simpler for the Spanish government to compel ISPs to block IPs. The Spanish government is not the ones enforcing the ban here. La Liga and Telefonica went to the judges, who are the ones making ISPs to enforce these blocks, as an intermediate "fix" essentially.

> went to the judges Which are part of the Spanish government.

> Which are part of the Spanish government.

Judges in Spain are not part of the government ("Gobierno"). They are part of the Poder Judicial, the judiciary. The Spanish Constitution separates these clearly, give it a skim if you haven't already.

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Apr 30, 2026, 7:00 PM UTC

embedding-shape wrote: post #106

tomnipotent wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumes you're using the ISP's DNS and not custom servers or DoH.

Bit hard to get notified by the ISP if you effectively try to side-step the way they notify you, don't you think? Also bit weird to blame them for that. If I recall correctly, if you try to access the IP directly you get the same notification. No football game on right now though so cannot check. Edit: In fact, I'm not sure they do DNS filtering at all actually, it may be just based on IP, can't remember off-hand, co…

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