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Re: Claude for Creative Work

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Post by oidar »

Mashimo wrote: post #77
IAmGraydon wrote: post #32

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Longtime Ableton Suite user and musician/producer. I have nothing against AI music (though it tends to be rather boring/average IMO), but it just fundamentally makes zero sense to me to have AI write music in Ableton. I open the program to create so others can hear me. Why would I give that time to creating something that isn’t me? It’s like setting up a canvas and handing the paintbrush to a robot. It just seems a r…

You could also just use it as a voice interface, not touching the keyboard and just say "Compute, add reverb to my chords" "Computer, switch 808 drums out with 909 drums but keep the pattern and effects"

Which reverb and at what levels? It's way, way faster to hot swamp for previewing and getting the sound at what levels. Same with drums, I believe there are about 10 different kits per each of the 909 and 808 flavors in the factory tool kit. Typing out claude commands to do this kinda thing would be way slower than actually doing it. I'm not opposed to LLMs having control of the ableton interface, but adding and tweaking devices is going to be glacially slower via an LLM.

Re: Claude for Creative Work

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Post by tkel »

ossa-ma wrote: post #30

Good that they prefaced it with this "Claude can't replace taste or imagination". I think this is a solid step in the right direction and the more tools Claude has access to the better (more surface area == faster iteration == faster tinkering). I've worked with Claude in many creative capacities and it's issue is that despite it being able to see if you ask it to draw something (using ascii for example) it will fail…

If anything, the preface is co-optation. Anthropic saying "Claude can't replace taste or imagination", while pushing a product that attempts to do exactly that. They have learned a common objection people have and put a few words up top to manipulate people. It's just marketing, don't be fooled.

Re: Claude for Creative Work

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Post by consumer451 »

shinryuu wrote: post #82
consumer451 wrote: post #28

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I am a huge beneficiary of agentic dev tools. They completely changed my life and my income. However, I totally get the general anti-AI sentiment. The ultra-bear case is that it somehow kills all of us, the bull case is that those who own the inference get the all the spoils. Even myself, while I am currently extremely empowered by these tools... I could see my role (Founder/PM/builder) disappearing in the next coupl…

How and why did it change your income?

My dev skills had atrophied long ago, my career felt like it was at a weird dead-end. I was still very aware of various technologies, but didn't know the syntax of every latest framework.

I still had b2b product ideas, but was never able to raise funding. I built an MVP in 2 weeks, got a co-founder to pay for my beans and rice for the year spent building, getting feedback, and refining. We now have paying users.

Re: Claude for Creative Work

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Post by JKCalhoun »

hgoel wrote: post #5
simonw wrote: post #3

Just noticed this notice added at the top of the Blender announcement of their funding from Anthropic: https://www.blender.org/press/anthropic-joins-the-blender-de... > Notice: This announcement is causing a lot of feedback. We are actively evaluating it. Presumably a lot of Blender users work in roles that feel threatened by AI being used for computer graphics work. Lots of negative replies on Blursky here: https://…

I don't really get the backlash about Blender here, this isn't generative art, it's basically a natural language means of scripting blender. This feels like the proper way to have AI act as a tool to make artist's jobs easier without taking away their creativity? Edit: I guess they might want absolutely no AI of any sort in their tools (which seems like a strange line to draw), or is it about the data it's been train…

"Edit: I guess they might want absolutely no AI of any sort in their tools…"

Which it seems like they can just choose not to use?

Maybe the blowback has more to do with gatekeeping.

Re: Claude for Creative Work

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Post by LeCompteSftware »

hgoel wrote: post #5
simonw wrote: post #3

Just noticed this notice added at the top of the Blender announcement of their funding from Anthropic: https://www.blender.org/press/anthropic-joins-the-blender-de... > Notice: This announcement is causing a lot of feedback. We are actively evaluating it. Presumably a lot of Blender users work in roles that feel threatened by AI being used for computer graphics work. Lots of negative replies on Blursky here: https://…

I don't really get the backlash about Blender here, this isn't generative art, it's basically a natural language means of scripting blender. This feels like the proper way to have AI act as a tool to make artist's jobs easier without taking away their creativity? Edit: I guess they might want absolutely no AI of any sort in their tools (which seems like a strange line to draw), or is it about the data it's been train…

I am a musician and deeply morally opposed to any form of generative AI that has unauthorized training data. That means I am morally opposed to any useful system. This seems to be a majority opinion among creatives: they are plagiarism machines built on stolen data. Using them for anything is always unacceptable.

Re: Claude for Creative Work

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Post by NetOpWibby »

izacus wrote: post #96
NetOpWibby wrote: post #75

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People on Mastodon are losing their shit too[1]. I understand being unhappy about something but people gotta relax. --- [1]: https://social.coop/@netopwibby/116483037092383210

Why do they "gotta relax"? Are they making you uncomfortable by voicing their opinions or why exactly?

Faceless losers having a fit and devolving when their energy isn’t reciprocated is kinda embarrassing, no?

Re: Claude for Creative Work

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Post by xnx »

make3 wrote: post #11
hgoel wrote: post #5

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I don't really get the backlash about Blender here, this isn't generative art, it's basically a natural language means of scripting blender. This feels like the proper way to have AI act as a tool to make artist's jobs easier without taking away their creativity? Edit: I guess they might want absolutely no AI of any sort in their tools (which seems like a strange line to draw), or is it about the data it's been train…

There is no acceptable use of AI for most people in the artistic field. They see it as an extreme treason, and I understand. They're under incredible incredible threat. They are conscious of preventing momentum in a bad direction. If they don't fight it hyper hard, a huge fraction of them will be out of a job instantly.

> There is no acceptable use of AI for most people in the artistic field.

For all of us, acceptable use is when I use AI to do my job. Unacceptable use is when you use AI to do my job.

Re: Claude for Creative Work

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

locknitpicker wrote: post #85
neya wrote: post #48

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I'm an artist turned CTO. My perspective is really simple - theft is theft. You (not you specifically per se) can sugar coat it however you like, but copying open source codebases/work is different from stealing proprietary/licensed work without permission. It would have been ok if stealing/sharing copyrighted work was heavily normalized, but no, a lot of people have gone to prison for simply pirating DVDs and CDs an…

> It would have been ok if stealing/sharing copyrighted work was heavily normalized, but no, a lot of people have gone to prison for simply pirating DVDs and CDs and now you're telling me it's somehow ok if a corporation does it? There is no such thing as "stealing" copyrighted work. Either you have unauthorized access and/or distribution, or you don't. Unauthorized access to copyrighted work is perfectly legal in a…

>There is no such thing as "stealing" copyrighted work

Maybe true in places with different cultural values like China or India.

However, piracy differs from the theft-of-service data scrapers use while ignoring EULA, site usage terms, and robot exclusion standards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_of_services

Getting emotionally invested in "AI" fantasy marketing is irrational. Have a wonderful day =3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTAwjprV3b4

Re: Claude for Creative Work

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Post by locknitpicker »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #109
locknitpicker wrote: post #85

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> It would have been ok if stealing/sharing copyrighted work was heavily normalized, but no, a lot of people have gone to prison for simply pirating DVDs and CDs and now you're telling me it's somehow ok if a corporation does it? There is no such thing as "stealing" copyrighted work. Either you have unauthorized access and/or distribution, or you don't. Unauthorized access to copyrighted work is perfectly legal in a…

>There is no such thing as "stealing" copyrighted work Maybe true in places with different cultural values like China or India. However, piracy differs from the theft-of-service data scrapers use while ignoring EULA, site usage terms, and robot exclusion standards. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_of_services Getting emotionally invested in "AI" fantasy marketing is irrational. Have a wonderful day =3 https://www.…

> Maybe true in places with different cultural values like China or India.

No, this is a core trait of the whole concept of copyright.

Copyright is a legal tool to allow authors to claim the exclusive right to monetize their work. But from it's inception this same legal tool is designed to ensure the public has the right to access said copyrighted works without authorization, including but not limited to the right to the unauthorized access for personal use and how public domain is extended to all works.

This notion originates from France's copyright law, from which all copyright laws in the world directly or indirectly comes from. We are talking about centuries of legal history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_France

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