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When the cheap one is the cool one

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Re: When the cheap one is the cool one

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Post by carlosjobim »

izacus wrote: post #42
gradstudent wrote: post #30

Weighing up a Neo vs Framework 12 for my kids. The Neo is nicer, but I'll probably get the Framework even though it's more expensive. Apple products seem to have a fixed shelf life; a certain number of years of support and then the machine is slowly incompatible with apps that have since moved on to newer versions of macOS. Meanwhile Framework supports Linux and is still providing hardware/software upgrade paths for…

The question is not as much shelf life, as whether you want your kids to be builders or consumers.

Do you want your kids to play the piano or repair the piano?

Should they learn to drive a car or repair a car.

Etc.

Re: When the cheap one is the cool one

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

alamortsubite wrote: post #96
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #90

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Cool. I wasn’t trying to posture. I was just mentioning my own experience. My experience, for the last 40 years, has been people automatically attacking me, for using Apple kit. I think that Linux folks had the same, for a while, but these days, it’s a lot more accepted. People just blindly hate Apple, and drop all semblance of reason, when considering the platform (and people who program for it).

I don't think many people blindly hate Apple, but it's fair to point out your Catalina install is obsolete. If I could install Linux on the Neo, I'd probably buy one. My daily-driver is also from 2012 (XPS L321X). It's not hobbled by the OS like your Air or the Neo, however, and happily runs the latest release from Debian.

> I don't think many people blindly hate Apple

40 years of being on the receiving end of that hatred says different.

A lot of people really hate Apple. I am not one to judge the validity of their rancor. It tends to be more complicated than "Napster Bad; Beer Good.".

But there is no question that it gets nasty, personal, and very, very tiresome.

Re: When the cheap one is the cool one

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Post by charcircuit »

gradstudent wrote: post #30

Weighing up a Neo vs Framework 12 for my kids. The Neo is nicer, but I'll probably get the Framework even though it's more expensive. Apple products seem to have a fixed shelf life; a certain number of years of support and then the machine is slowly incompatible with apps that have since moved on to newer versions of macOS. Meanwhile Framework supports Linux and is still providing hardware/software upgrade paths for…

All laptops have a limited shelf life if you want competitive performance and security.

Re: When the cheap one is the cool one

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Post by philistine »

Gigachad wrote: post #92
philistine wrote: post #85

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With their phones and other stuff, sure. But colours in laptops haven't been seen since the toilet seat iBooks.

The MacBook Air has had colors for a while. Not particularly bold ones but they did blue and rose gold.

Those are such muted colours, I don't think anyone views those computers as coloured.

Re: When the cheap one is the cool one

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Post by binarysolo »

I see a buncha folks complaining about how the high end macbook laptops don't have color -- for what it's worth there's plenty of fun colors to be had from buying case covers and skins, but yeah they add bulk or interfere with heat dissipation...

(Have a MBP with fun case covers that I take off when I do a work presentation.)

Re: When the cheap one is the cool one

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Post by chias »

gradstudent wrote: post #30

Weighing up a Neo vs Framework 12 for my kids. The Neo is nicer, but I'll probably get the Framework even though it's more expensive. Apple products seem to have a fixed shelf life; a certain number of years of support and then the machine is slowly incompatible with apps that have since moved on to newer versions of macOS. Meanwhile Framework supports Linux and is still providing hardware/software upgrade paths for…

I excitedly bought a Framework 12 when it first came out, since I figured it'd be a nice thing to travel with (my typical laptop is the 11th-gen 13). However the 12 has just sat under my bed since it arrived. It's actually the same size and weight as the 13 so there's no real reason to use it when traveling, and everything about the 13 feels better in general. Overall I'm fairly disappointed by the 12.

I haven't held a Neo myself, but it seems like a solid device. Personally I would probably go for the Neo.

Re: When the cheap one is the cool one

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Post by DANmode »

carlosjobim wrote: post #101
izacus wrote: post #42

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The question is not as much shelf life, as whether you want your kids to be builders or consumers.

Do you want your kids to play the piano or repair the piano? Should they learn to drive a car or repair a car. Etc.

If my kids play or drive, and can’t eventually tune the instrument or put air in the tires of the car, I’ll be disappointed.

Re: When the cheap one is the cool one

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Post by DANmode »

timpera wrote: post #73

While I am back to my Surface Laptop 7 after a few weeks with the Neo because the latter wasn't good enough for my usage, I agree it's the coolest Mac right now, the colors are great! I don't really understand why Apple keeps its "more serious" devices mostly color-less, it's a shame.

> the latter wasn't good enough for my usage

Please say more. Specs?

Re: When the cheap one is the cool one

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Post by [deleted] »

torginus wrote: post #70
userbinator wrote: post #12

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Thinkpads were definitely never cheap.

I just had a company Thinkpad break because its fan started rattiling. It was just out of warranty, like 3.5 years old. Within a span of a year, out of my dozen coworkers who have the exact same laptop, half of them went down with similar issues.

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Re: When the cheap one is the cool one

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Post by brailsafe »

squeedles wrote: post #75
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #58

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You can fairly easily get skins that will customize your laptop. I’ve done that, in the past. Seems the thing most people are into, these says, is “bumper stickers” on their laptop lids. I suspect neutral colors work best for that. I’ve found that I tend to replace my primary development machine every 3 years or so. Since retiring, I don’t travel much, so I got an M4Pro Mini. Works great, and I still have my M1Max Ma…

I large part, the sticker trend is so that people can distinguish one gray rounded slab from another. It is the reaction, not the cause.

I agree with you and ChrisMarshallNY, I think both can be true. I have a work laptop and personal laptop that would be identical if not for stickers, but at the same time I enjoy stickers because they lend personality to something that would otherwise look the same as every other one; I'm sure signalling plays a part for some people, but mine are all novelties.
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