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Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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And your position is that the government doing anything is bad, then? Better to just resign yourself to abusive capitalists? The position that you're mocking is the belief that some laws are good and some bad. The fact that you seem to find that objectionable is baffling.

Actually no. The position I'm mocking is that we can somehow implement enforceable age restrictions on digital platforms without a verification mechanism that extends to the client level, even to the hardware. I think we need to suck it up and accept that the free-wheeling 90s are over, and using computers, the internet, and technology in general will become a much more regulated activity in the very near future, whi…

This isn't a real dichotomy. There's not a lever positioned between safety and freedom that people can collectively choose to shift one way or another. The best way to enhance safety is to directly ban the harmful behavior, not install cameras everywhere to make sure that only the right people fall victim to it. A panopticon is both less free and less safe than the world we have now, and a world where Meta and Google are ground into silicon dust is safer and more free.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Can you give an example for this?

"Parental responsibility laws in all 50 states" https://www.mwl-law.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/PARENTAL-... an excerpt from above: " Almost every state has some sort of parental responsibility law that holds parents or legal guardians responsible for property damage, personal injury, theft, shoplifting, and/or vandalism resulting from intentional or willful acts of their un-emancipated children." "Parental respon…

I don't really see how that is relevant? Isn't that law making a parent responsible for actions their child commits that hurt others? Child protection laws like preventing child labour, not selling alcohol/cigarettes, etc aren't this.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Doing this without the parents on board does not work. Kids can lie about their birthdate by a few years. Facial age estimation has error bars of like 5 years and many teens don't have any ID. Younger kids use a parent's phone. Many are not supervised by parents or have parents who are complicit/encouraging in getting them more access. Oh you could be famous! But it is clear that more persistent identifiers online will make anonymity much more difficult for everyone else.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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This. Big tech shouldn’t rely on ID laws. We should hold big tech liable when we find them in violation. Shift the onus to them.

We used to hold parents liable.

This is one of those situation where both things can be true at the same time.

Social media companies have shown that they do not give a shit about the mental health of their users, quite the opposite seems to be true. Yes, parents are responsible for teaching their children about the reality of modern social media, but they can only do so within the limits of their abilities and understanding. It's similar to smoking. Yes parents are responsible for teaching their children about the dangers of smoking and encourage them not to, but no one thinks removing the age restriction from tobacco is a sane idea.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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I really liked this post by System76: https://blog.system76.com/post/system76-on-age-verification

Reactionary changes are never going to go away but the entire thrust of technological progress is "you don't need to learn."

Amusing Ourselves to Death and Superbloom both describe the same thing: methods of communiation become more efficient and education becomes more simplified, to the point of not being valued.

The nadir of which is Trump shitposting policy decisions on Twitter because he has no literacy, no intellect, and people like him because of that because he's just as uneducated as they are.

Back in the early days of the US intellect was king, it's how the US became what it was as far as I know it.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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post #103

Doing this without the parents on board does not work. Kids can lie about their birthdate by a few years. Facial age estimation has error bars of like 5 years and many teens don't have any ID. Younger kids use a parent's phone. Many are not supervised by parents or have parents who are complicit/encouraging in getting them more access. Oh you could be famous! But it is clear that more persistent identifiers online wi…

You gotta start somewhere.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Good, social media is cancer on society and will only get worse with LLMs, Deepfakes etc. All the astroturfing in favour of social media couldn't possibly change my mind on how harmful social media has been on society.

Does HN count, or is the actual problem the algorithmic feeds?

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Parental responsibility laws in all 50 states" https://www.mwl-law.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/PARENTAL-... an excerpt from above: " Almost every state has some sort of parental responsibility law that holds parents or legal guardians responsible for property damage, personal injury, theft, shoplifting, and/or vandalism resulting from intentional or willful acts of their un-emancipated children." "Parental respon…

I don't really see how that is relevant? Isn't that law making a parent responsible for actions their child commits that hurt others? Child protection laws like preventing child labour, not selling alcohol/cigarettes, etc aren't this.

how is it not relevant?

its an example of holding the parent responsible when the child breaks a law.

if accessing social media below 16 becomes illegal, this is a literal perfect example of holding parents accountable for their kids illegal activity. you can't possibly get more relevant.

there is no reason to shift parental responsibility onto tech companies. we have existing laws that can be used as templates for social media bans.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Should be banned for under 40s and over 70s really... Also ban giving toddlers iPads with YouTube.

hah - 50 year olds have been amongst the worst offenders from what I've experienced. The only generation that I can see that hasnt completely fallen is the generation that were young adults just around the time facebook first released, i.e Millenials. They grew up with the internet but werent enslaved to it like the generation after (Gen Z). Meanwhile the generation above (Gen X) didnt have the survival instincts fos…

I disagree, the brainrot is about the same across generations. People have a slight bias to reporting their generation as being more resistant though.
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