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Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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Post by tim333 »

sdevonoes wrote: post #46
oulipo2 wrote: post #4

AI society is going to be: - you, chained on your sofa, watching ads "tailored-made by AI for you" - weaponized robots roaming the streets to ensure everyone is "at work" and not "at leisure activities" - "no need to vote", of course, because "AI already knows what's good for you"...

Why don’t we go out in the streets and protest? Like the french did some centuries ago. If only we stop using instagram, youtube, if we stop searching in google, if we ditch claude, openai, for a couple of days… the billionaries will notice it and get hurt. That would be like a warning from our side

Because the above comment is hyperbole.

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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Post by guzfip »

> The AI I dreamed of my whole life is being built, engineer-type strongmen are sort of in charge

Not sure the sort of pedophilic drug addicts running Silicon Valley companies really evoke the idea of an “engineer type strongman”. But I understand that colloquially “strongman” most means “paranoid loudmouth”.

Maybe this was the case when the researchers themselves had a small level of clout/influence, but I’ve seen more product acquisition announcements recently from AI than deep technical improvements.

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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Post by keybored »

roenxi wrote: post #49
defrost wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a chart of investment by patriotic US citizens seeking to better the country such that the country "wins" .. more like a chart of military and motte and bailey investments made by individual feuding Norman clans each seeking to be the last castle standing and in control of all the throttle points and gates across the country and ideally the world.

This is a good time to reflect on the etymology of "Banana Republic" [0]. I suspect most people don't see fruit companies as a major threat, but they'll kill and ravage to get people cheap bananas. This idea that the morals of the people making investments is in any way relevant is a bit of a misframe. Investors are capable of any evil, the default position is of surprise if one of them is investing out of some sense…

> The point of the economic system is it channels some of the most ghoulish and horrible people to do good as an accidental side effect of their mad rush to wealth and power. Works really well, on average everyone wins.

Now imagine how much money you have to invest in order to convince people that this weird theory makes sense.

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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Post by sjs382 »

mindcrime wrote: post #16

> Do you want the US to "win" AI? I don't want any one particular country, or organization, to "win" AI. I want AI capabilities to remain diffuse and spread out, so that everybody has access to approximately equal levels of AI. If anything, you might say that I want "Open Source to win AI".

AI gets better with more resources. Even if you have access to the software/models, those with more money to throw at better hardware (and the cost associated with running it) will be better positioned.

I wish we had a good way to solve for that.

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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Post by throwaway-11-1 »

quater321 wrote: post #32
AntiUSAbah wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't agree. China took a very rich business man and told him to stop showing his richness and start doing more for china. China has a real plan for renewable energy and pushing through it. China is smarter because it doesn't allow some people to vote for people like Trump and its smarter than russia because it is less motivated by one persons personal agenda.

you don't really need to explain that to someone with common sense. If someone says a communist countrie should be the top of the world, they are obviously part of the communist party or simply re*rded.

A Marxist Leninist vanguard party is objectively demonstrating better management over markets and improving citizen welfare than our decadent bourgeois financial elites. As an American and previously a China hater, it’s painful to admit but it’s clearly true

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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Post by red-iron-pine »

rogermungo wrote: post #2

I suppose I'd rather the US wins AI as opposed to, say, China

unless USA-ians are willing to jail or hang the people destroying their country and global order they shouldn't be trusted.

or more rather, the techno-oligarchs who now run the country shouldn't be trusted; the American people are useless

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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Post by red-iron-pine »

dartharva wrote: post #85
cyanydeez wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, there's nothing about the current America I want to "win" AI; nor the people leading it. I'm sure China has the same type of leadership, but they've yet to threaten to nuke a whole civilization. Obviously, we want to be in the middle between what America represents and China, and that's currently Europe.

China is fundamentally anti-elite. It is the whole principle the PRC was founded on. China does not have "the same type of leadership" at all. It has well-raised technocratic cadres who compete within the system, not above it unlike the US.

ITT: we think the CCP is not "an elite"

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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Post by cyanydeez »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #108
dartharva wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is fundamentally anti-elite. It is the whole principle the PRC was founded on. China does not have "the same type of leadership" at all. It has well-raised technocratic cadres who compete within the system, not above it unlike the US.

ITT: we think the CCP is not "an elite"

Yeah, the same people who claim nazis were socialists and north korea is a democratic peoples republic.

A lot of semantics and no dsire to evaluate real world implementations.

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